Mike & Rome - http://www.pccmonroe.org/Ecumenism/2007.12.14.htm

Mike & S-mites - http://www.pccmonroe.org/neo-evangelicalism/2008.01.02.htm

PreacherJonD. wrote:
...And for anyone else to claim that they are ordained as such is outright BLASPHEMY, and so is any man who takes a spiritual title as "father".

How such a title can be taken by the "protesters" of Rome is truly amazing as the Scriptures reveal it is the LORD alone who is to be revered. "He sent redemption unto his people: he hath commanded his covenant for ever: holy and reverend is his name." (Psa 111:9)

Joseph wrote:
It seems however much we try to instruct others about our misunderstood faith, nothing will work.

No, thanks but no thanks. And contrary to your false statement, we do know Rome and know it well and you know this to be true. The problem is not that we do not know Rome, the problem is that we do not know it as you want it to be known. But that will never happen for the Lord's sheep as they hear his voice and a stranger they will not follow.

Rome is a dead system of works that will never save. One thing is for sure, if you do not forsake this idolatrous system while you have breath left then on the day of judgment, ignorance you will not be able to plead.

Dr. Yamil Luciano wrote:
I appreciate your attempt but all that verses states is that God sends some to hell and others to heaven. I doubt anyone here would argue that point.
You would have to make a great theological leap of logic to go from that to unconditional election.

Re. election, I was simply stating my belief and was not attempting to give a doctrinal treatise nor was I seeking to enter into debate about it. And debate it here and now I will not do.

To Norman: Well, I like Abigail, AntiVaticanistAmerican and any others do not celebrate the Christ Mass any more but my prayers go to you and all of the Lord's elect saints scattered throughout the world. May we all seek to be more like the Bereans to purge out the leaven in the church and our own lives so that we may be an unleavened lump.

Dr. Yamil Luciano wrote:
...Can you give me a passage of Scripture that if TAKEN LITERALLY it would mean that GOd chose some to hell and others to heaven?

You asked for a verse. Here are two.
"What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory." (Rom 9:22-23)

Joseph wrote:
Michael,
Are you saying that your spiritual deadness was a cause of Catholicism? Because if so, I can tell you that there seem to be plenty of spiritually dead people in Protestant churches.

No, I was spiritually dead because of my sin nature inherited from Adam; a sin nature that was NOT removed by the waters of Rome's "baptism" neither did I receive the Holy Spirit via Rome's Confirmation. I was no more a part of the church of Jesus Christ after these religions acts than before.

And although I did all Rome told me and appeared to be "good" outwardly I was dead in sins with my life and heart bearing ample witness to this. Yes I had religion, yes I had a "faith" in Jesus but it was all dead as was I.

It wasn't until by God's grace my eyes were opened to my spiritual deadness, despite my religion, that I saw for the first time that all of Rome's prescriptions for sin had done nothing to stem my exceeding sinfulness. Ritual I had, religion I had but freedom from being bound to sin I had not.

Until one sees that religion, whether it be Rome's or any other, will not cure sin nor give them a new heart, Jesus is not needed. For he said that he came not to call the righteous but sinners to repentance for those that are whole or healthy have no need of the physician.

Finally, just to answer you question fully I do read/study the Catechism, Ludwig Ott, Luguori, O'Brien, official Vatican writings etc. to know Rome from the "experts."

And by the "Eastern" rite, do you mean the schismatics? Those who are not in union with Mother Rome? And by being "priests" married do you mean those who are serving in the "lower minor clerical orders"?

It is the doctrine of Rome and you know it. I do not have the time to be verbose but hopefully my brethren will stand in the gap. This is part of your "non-doctrine" doctrine taught by Rome: "You will be required to continue in the service of God, and with His assistance to observe chastity and to be bound for ever in the ministrations of the Altar, to serve who is to reign."