I understand and agree with the preaching, but there needs to be a point when dealing with individuals that we need to realize that we have said all that we can say, and we need to just pray and ask God Holy Spirit to open their eyes. That is what I am trying to say.
And so let's leave it there folks. He has laid out what he believes in black and white, and only the Holy Spirit can change his heart and mind. I'm quite sure that you have given him the verses before, so let's please not endlessly debate in the flesh.
Here is what I have found so far about Cutting Edge Ministries. The main guys are Pastor Ronald Riffe and Director David Bay. An interesting side note is that they both were in the military, one in intelligence, the other in rockets...continued tomorrow, look it up yourselves and see if these guys are on the level at all...
With the measure I meted out, so did I receive again. Too often I wade in to things "locked and loaded" and then find out that I've been opposing friends. I'm sorry. I honestly was not thinking of you when I mentioned crackpots. But I see that it could have been taken that way. I guess I haven't given too much grounds for you to believe this, but I am willing to believe what you have to say if it is backed with reasonably conclusive evidence. I will start on that website you gave (which actually looks pretty sound doctrinally), and perhaps then you could give more, or I could find more.
Obvious truth: First, I would try to be the last person to say that Hillary Clinton is a good person, let alone godly. Far from it! Second, I notice that you failed to give reality, evidence, proof, etc. We all know what kind of misguided, biased crackpots there are in some corners of the internet. Give me what YOU have found. Don't try to shove the responsibility off on me. You are the one who said those things in the first place.
Obvious truth: would you care to give us just a little proof of these things you say? As it stands now, it is just venting hot air. Like this: "Hillary? Oh that lesbiansadistosamaskullandbonescommienazizionistmasonnewwoldorderilluminati......" And on and on it goes. Just a bit of reality is needed here... Some documentation... You know what I mean?
Is it seemly to mock those who encourage good English? Is it seemly to add and remove many words from the Bible under the guise of bringing it to the common man? Now I will admit, I don't walk around spewing thees and thous (maybe I'll have to work on that, but if it's good English, why not use it in that most important of reading materials to educate "the masses", rather than coming down to their level?
Jim Lincoln: You are like my grandfather who is a member of the church that Walter Chantry once pastored. I do not want to get into the whole KJV debate, but since you mentioned the kind of English that is used, I looked up the site you gave. I find it VERY interesting that point number six (concerning why the KJV "stayed on the throne so long") states: "It was excellent English..." From that factual and true premise from those in your own camp, I would further state that "Elizabethan English" is much more at the height and fullness of the English language, and that the common English of today is of a much poorer quality and continues on that downward trend.
The solution is to offer funerals, baptism, and marriage only to the church members. That way, the sodomites can't say they are being singled out for discrimination.
Abigail: Do you think 1 Timothy 2:2 applies to this forum? I'm not trying to be cutting or judgmental. I don't know you, but I just wondered what you thought of this verse.
9/21/07 5:55 PM
, but if it's good English, why not use it in that most important of reading materials to educate "the masses", rather than coming down to their level?
