John, the Lord's supper is the type of the future supper of the Lamb when all the fruits of the redemptive work will be enjoyed in full. No, we do not eat the lamb at the Lord's supper. We do remember his attonning death.
I Corinthians 15, which gives the theological interpretation of it, does not talk about the Lord's supper in that light.
John UK wrote: As for your question, no, no mystical experience, purely remembrance. This is because the passover was a type/shadow of the real thing, Christ our passover being slain for us. Therefore we can expect much more in the fulfilment than in the shadow. And I believe scripture teaches that. eg. 1 Corinthians 10:16.
You are deviating from the topic by creating rabbit trails.
Surely, the type and the reality it points to, do not compare, but the Lord's supper is still a type or emblem of the real thing. Nevertheless, the witness of the Spirit is real by its fruit experienced when in obedience to the seal, but to figure out mystical experiences, which in truth come linked to the 'means of grace' concept, it sounds spurious.
John UK wrote: ... the 1689 Confession... Paragraph 7. Worthy receivers, outwardly partaking of the visible elements in this ordinance, do then also inwardly by faith, spiritually receive, and feed upon Christ crucified, and all the benefits of his death; the body and blood of Christ being spiritually present to the faith of believers in that ordinance, as the elements themselves are to their outward senses.
Man made confessions can end up as a bunch of presumptions, well meant intentions, some wrong preconceptions, along with some spiritual truth mingled with assumptions. All these pack and knit together makes it hard to dissect them apart especially when deriving from a long-lived religious tradition.
Yes, some truths in the text have spiritual reality, but to bring it to the sensual side per magic mystical feeling is not there any time.
E. G. Do you reckon the Israelites eating the passover had a mystical awareness, or a grateful remembrance of true facts in their past history ?
Let's remember that the phrase 'means of grace' birthed from RC dogma, rather than from Scriptures
John UK wrote: ... my question was: John 6:53 KJV (53) Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. So, brother, however you interpret the eating of his flesh and drinking his blood, you will still have to do it, or you have no life in you. So how and when do you eat his flesh and drink his blood?
John, the passage should be taken as one of the types of Christ, the same as he being the door, the bread, the way, etc... A figure of speech as it were. For instance, that Christ is the way, does not mean that in our way to the father we climb over on top of Christ 's slaps of stone.
In this case the eating of his flesh and blood represents our union with Christ (identification with him) and of being part of him.
See, "For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones"
The association of this passage with the Lord's supper as "eating' his flesh and blood is a relic from romanism where it is thought people' feed' on Christ through the host ingestion.
John UK wrote: ... whole world of difference between sinners coming to Jesus because they ARE elect, and God electing sinners BECAUSE they come to Jesus. ... Salvation is dependent on the sovereign will and purpose of God. And none that are saved will ever fully understand the mysteries of God. Anyone who believes they do reminds me of the devil who wished to be like unto God.
Surely, It is fascinating to see the Hypercalvinist and the Arminian position come to terms to admit to the two wings Scriptures hold about converting truth. The sad thing is that usually passages quoted are butchered in order to support a particular take.
E.g. the Greek word for 'whosoever' (G3956) used in John 6:37 is the same used in John 3:16, which means 'all that' ... say believe, come, looks or whatever.
"All (G3956) that the Father gives me shall come to me; and him that comes to me I will in no wise cast out." John 6:37
On the same line the whosoever of Rev 22:17, refers to those that 'are inclined to'.
Often doctrinal slants can mentally reinterpret written script to suit.
Paul the reformer wrote: No media= old normal. Defund the demonic media.
Media fast, is over due in all the Christian circles of the Anglo-saxon speaking cultures. The church and pulpits would be in a different predicament today, and perhaps even the world, had they abstained for the last 60 to 80 years "from all appearances of evil" on the screen as a matter of principle. Separation unto the Lord has been none existent, hence the results that govern the day.
John UK wrote: Yes indeed, sister. I do not ponder for very long on it, just enough to give me a few thoughts. Such as... With stockpiling of weaponry and ammunition in America, and with the economy and jobs severely affected by lockdown procedures, with this leading to near starvation for some families, and supposing the pandemic cannot be controlled any other way, and the guv not willing to let it run and do its worst, thusly the austerity continues until some folks just cannot cope any more, and they see stealing food as the only way of survival, at gunpoint of course, maybe stealing money, cars etc., maybe forming into groups or gangs, living in forests like Robin Hood, robbing the rich so that their families can eat, and so on and so forth. I believe some futuristic films, which I never watch, portray such a time, when the world is unrecognisable compared to what it is today. A forewarning? Some sort of weird prophecy?
Brother, never lose sight that the full stops come set by the hand above, though the common folk might have to go through seasons as being "sheep unto the slaughter"
"As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter." Let the Lord be our strength
John UK wrote: I also see that this pandemic is not normal, and could go on for years. We may never get back to ... normal, which makes me wonder if it is all part of ...pm the second coming of Jesus Christ and the end ...
Many a time in history authentic believers pondered in the same lines you write here, yet let's remember that evil and jugdements often come in 'tides' or waves that come and go. We only have to see the plagues of Egypt, or read about the vials, horses, or trumpets of Revelation.
This same pattern can be perceived by reading or listening to Eusebius of Caesarea's Church history, written in the 4th-century, giving a chronological account of the developments in Early Christianity from the 1st century to his day. One can see how the wave of persecutions arose sometimes as it were from nowhere, but they came and eased. www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=72220140404585
"He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending *evil angels* ... (this means messangers of calamity and trouble) When he slew them, then they sought him: and they returned and enquired early after God."
Our day was riped for a wave of testing, whatever source that wave has. (E.g. Rev. 2:9&10, 3:10)