Neil wrote: Good question. From all I have been able to comprehend and synthesize, I would say the Progressive goal is to eliminate sin and suffering from the world by material means: No disease, no hunger, no hatred, no drudgery, no inequality, no war, no punishment since man, as a good if imperfect being, doesn't deserve punishment or need redemption as his problem is external or environmental, not internal and spiritual. Heaven can be realized in this life, not the hereafter. It is ironic that corporate capitalism, supposedly a conservative faction opposed to leftism, has actually fed this Progressive fantasy in its incessant promises of happiness through technology. As Edward Bernays might say, modern business sells dreams, not merely products like Jesus's family.
Thanks Neil, so they seek the impossible, from a faulty premise concerning the man.
Can not the Lord restore true worship, faith, and hope then, COVID-19 or not?
Certainly Quiet Brother,
This is why I wrote: "I wonder if God will blow down the Ichabod signs outside and fill the sanctuary with his glory. We will shortly see."
I would love to see every church building filled with people and filled with the glory of God. It makes everything real and deeply spiritual, instead of the usual "going through the motions" of religious worship.
Many thanks to Neil, Remo and Mike for your comments. I wonder Neil, if your Progressives hate America so much, what is their desire upon it?
I do believe that there is a difference between countries, and a difference between ages in different countries.
For example, if you take the Isle of Lewis Revival in Scotland about 70 years ago, you will see that the Presence of God had a very serious effect on the lives of the people there, whether they were truly Christian or not. And this lasted for some decades after the revival concluded. During the revival, the preaching flowed like a river in torrent, and the Presence of God did the rest. Basically, it made the people serious about God, and created a fear of disobeying him. And you cannot recreate that whenever you like.
This has occurred many times throughout church history, when God came down and made himself known among men and communities. During those days, men were serious about God and God's word; they became God-fearing.
But what happens when God does not come in that sort of a dramatic way, but says in effect, "You have the word, and the word is sufficient for you?"
Because of a lack of faith in his word, decline comes, along with worldliness and ungodliness. This is called decadence.
Mike wrote: True. John. When the Lord returns to establish his kingdom, we won't need fret about things as they are now. We won't need to be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. We won't need to resist the devil in whatever form he shows up, in order that we not be deceived. We won't need stay alert so that we not allow the thief to break into our house. But until such a time, we must play out the hand that we are dealt.
Mike wrote: I guess not enough of the pro freedom antibodies got rounded up during their version of virus lockdown. (For public safety) Too bad the disease of Communism doesn't have a vaccination to prevent it.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: ... No nation spends more of their own money to help those in disasters than America.Â Â No nation has come to the defense of those who were about to be come under dictatorships by foreign powers and shed the blood of their own for them like America......etc.
Good morning to you, dear brother Unprofitable Servant.
My guess is that you are one of the very few people in America who understands why you have chosen the moniker Unprofitable Servant.
If every person in America were to do exactly what Jesus tells them to do, they are still to refer to themselves as unprofitable servants.
So, what is all this nonsense you have written?
BTW folks, I don't know how you expect me to grow if you keep patting me on the head and being nice. I far prefer to be rebuked and exhorted, told to repent of my sins, to cast off my besetting sins, to strive after holiness by God's grace, and many other such things which are most biblical and necessary. Thank you.
Noname wrote: Thank you for answering my questions brother. I apologize for my aggressive approach to you! I just donât like it when people stereotype other people. And thank you for your final question! I appreciate when Christians ask personal questions such as that. A good heart search. I can say thanks to our risen savior that I am! So often here in America (Iâm not sure if itâs the same for the UK) people try to be too soft and not âstep on anyoneâs toesâ.
Brother, the other post was for "enough already" and I have had enough of him/her for one night already.
But you on the other hand I can get on with just mighty fine. You exalt the Lord in your salvation, and you make good points. It is always difficult to stereotype without offending some, and I accept that.
The UK is much the same as America, maybe not so big, bold and brash, but still on a severe moral decline and therefore can be described as decadent also.
When I read in the Bible that Christians are citizens of heaven not earth, I lost interest in my country and focussed on heavenly things.
And I love being exhorted on a daily basis, because the Bible tells us to do that with each other.
John UK wrote: God is not on my side for any good in me, or any merit, or any righteousness, or because I made a good decision when I heard the gospel, or for any reason to do with me whatsoever. God is on my side because he has given me to his Son, and his Son has made atonement for all my sins. Hallelujah!
There are some silly people in this world who cannot read simple English. Check out my post in this thread 5/24/2020 5.30AM
After reading that, how can you then say, "...but never looks within his own works based self righteous beliefs."
"God is not on my side for any good in me, or any merit, or any righteousness, or because I made a good decision when I heard the gospel, or for any reason to do with me whatsoever."
What's up, are you of the Arminist trait, and love to have a go at a Calvinist? That's it, isn't it? Well, if you are a picture of what Christianity is, keep me far from it.
Thankfully, Christianity is not either Arminist or Calvinist but Realist.
You see, the difference between me and you is that if you ask me if I stink, I will say yes. But if I ask you the same question, you will get all hot under the collar and accuse me of self-righteousness.
Noname wrote: John Uk, I love how youâre bashing America but you donât even live here. Yes, there is plentyyyyyyyy of wrong things that go on here that I and other Christians donât agree with, but thatâs anywhere. This is a fallen world. Not just one country. Plus might I ask where you are reading ab America if you donât get your info from peers,media, or government? Are you just making all this up in your head? Yes the Bible does speak of wicked countries like America, but that seems the whole world to me. Plus there was always someone that God was close too in these stories.
No, I am not reading about America to reach my conclusions. I listen to Americans, I watch Americans, I see what they wear, I see what sort of films and TV programs they make, I observe their lawsuits, I see the inconsistencies in their elections, I listen to what they say about the main purpose in life, I listen to the music makers, the play writers, I see the lack of concern for the unborn, I observe the building of feminism, I see the pride of a whole nation.
I see the Christians who are merely a slightly nicer version of the above.