Mike wrote:
Great point Allan. What a fake this guy is. Another text would be II Thess chapter one
Maybe his followers should ask him to raise a man from the dead with his spoken word, or see if when the local authorities ever come to take him away, they fall backward on the ground by a word from him also
Oh, I wonder if this imposter can walk through walls, as Christ did after his resurrection

Then I Daniel looked, and, behold there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river,
How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
And I heard the man clothed in linen which was upon the waters of the river when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be

for a time, times, and an half

And when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people all these things shall be finished

Minnow wrote:
"James Dobson, one of the nation's most prominent evangelical Christian leaders, backed Mike Huckabee's presidential bid"
Oh well!
In that case Huckabee is definitely destined for the White House.
That right folks.

MurrayA wrote:
Reference: Jeremiah 16:19
What is interesting is v.21: "I will make them (lit. modi'am: cause them to know) My power and My might, and they shall know that My Name is the LORD."
God is speaking about the Gentile nations: in contrast to the Israelite nation who have embraced the idols of the nations, the latter will discard them and embrace the God of Israel, the true and living God.
Alternatively, it envisages the Jews in exile who discard their idols and learn the lesson of God's chastisement, and by that external means come to know the LORD in truth.
Either way, it speaks of a Divine work ("My mighty power") in people such that they "know that His Name is the LORD".

33k wrote:
Thank you, but personally I think it's heartbreaking, and we should weep and mourn for the professed church in our day.

33k wrote:
I was pondering on just that question myself earlier today. I would be interested in what you and others think.
I wasn't actually thinking beyond the specific reports of waterboarding already given in the news reports. You raise an interesting question by extension. I have seen churches destroyed by pastors who lie to the church like Ananias and bully people out like Diotrophes. According to the three marks of a true church we can see that such churches are not churches at all when they utterly reject the practise of biblical church discipline. Are they waterboarders? No, I think there is more biblical hope for the eventual repentance of waterboarders than the hardened religious establishment.

MurrayA wrote:
JD,
Don't just give me more of the same allegorical fancies. I'm well aware of that sort of thing. You may hold them if you like, but to use them them to prove anything is just circular reasoning, i.e. using interpretations as evidence.
Instead, face up to the points I have made (and I won't repeat myself), as follows
I don't believe for a moment you can offer anything of substance.

shibboleths (whether you recognise them as such or not).

(and I won't repeat myself), as follows

jago wrote:
JD have you ever heard the scripture of our coming to the Lord as little children.

If things are as complicated as you make out, no child I know would ever be able to understand them.

You display such a minefield in your explanations that even you seem to slip up and are unable to answer simple questions put to you.

Try reading scripture from cover to cover while looking for the revealed Christ.

He is there in every book.

It is not some hidden maze of mysteries. All of scripture testifies of Him.

33k wrote:
Protestant - Excellent comment. The waterboarders amongst us destroy our society far more effectively than 19 hijackers ever can do.
One quibble though.

Self-incrimination is valid when it is given freely

"Lord, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? who shall dwell in thy holy hill?He that walketh uprightly, and worketh righteousness, and speaketh the truth in his heart.
He that backbiteth not with his tongue, nor doeth evil to his neighbour, nor taketh up a reproach against his neighbour.
In whose eyes a vile person is contemned; but he honoureth them that fear the LORD. He that sweareth to his own hurt, and changeth not.
He that putteth not out his money to usury, nor taketh reward against the innocent. He that doeth these things shall never be moved."

Is a waterboarder He that backbiteth not with his tongue, nor doeth evil to his neighbour, nor taketh up a reproach against his neighbour.
Maybe
nor waterboarder taketh reward against the innocent

Red Rum wrote:

Protestant wrote:
I am amazed that Bible believing Christians could ever conceive the idea that our Saviour God,
who was tortured with our sins in the garden,
who was was tortured by the Roman soldiers whipping him,
and who was finally tortured to death
on the cross, would aprove of the use of torture.

the horror of what our Lord went through to save us? How could we then inflict such barbaric torture on another human being made in the image of God?

and self-incrimination is never valid. Outside of that, we 'give place to God's wrath' and look to him to bring vengence.

Wow I think you made an oximoron
Do you see it?
The horror of what our Lord went through to save us WHY
self-incrimination is never valid.

Did Mel Gibson sign your dvd?

who was was tortured by the Roman soldiers whipping him, and who was finally tortured to death on the cross,

See, many went to the cross, some went with joy, not a big deal to say Jesus died on a cross, He was killed by some
soldiers.

doulos-christou-iesou wrote:
I've heard, by the Word, what God has spoken concerning Jesus Christ. I've also obeyed His command.
I hope you have also.

JD writes
Have we got some man worship going on here?

SEE JD,
Its all in the way you look at things

Have we got some man worship going on here?

Do I worship the man, God Forbid
Do I worship the God this man speaks about, yes, God willing.

Have you heard Paul Washer, JD

How to get saved-- let me know what you think, ok

Lisa wrote:
Jesus is the only doctrine you need, and to know him personally...

The important part is does Jesus know you?

Mike wrote:
But will you still love me when I say something you don't like?

But will you still love me when I say something you don't like

think about it, just about every thing you say I don't like.

And that means what?
I'll tell you NY style
(can't), what I think means nothing, thats been my point, with everyone here, what does the Bible teach on Pride?

Did you hear Paul Washers sermon on
How to get saved?

What do you think
And PS: my isum is better

1 John 2:16
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Do a word search on "pride"
46 times, not including plural, or syno's.

Neil wrote:
Better pass it by terry 1st, Mike.

I agree with Mike
Neil, you know what thats going to do to Mike who wrote

I always feel better when I turn NPR off.

Amen

I may have to go read 1John again myself

Lance Eccles wrote:
Actually, it's not entirely clear that the "young boys fair as virgin pearls" are intended for use by women.
Somewhere else it says that everything that is forbidden on earth is permitted in paradise.

Weapon of Mass-Instrũction wrote:
Yes.

Say it Again Sam wrote:
Well, son you see that God did not mean he loved the world and don't you know that Christ blood was not the propitiation for the whole world and HA, you are not falling for a thousand years means a thousand years are you, let me tell you that it does not mean a thousand and it does not mean years but please don't ask me what it does mean and Christ did not die for every man, he died for the ungodly and I guess that make us calvinists the ungodly'! Oh, wait, if we are the ungodly, that makes the Bible believers the Godly, Oh, my!

I think those far right, and far left have more in common than you think.

Weapon of Mass-Instrũction wrote:
Hey buddy, you do not have to take my word for it. Just place your WCF away, wipe off the crusted dust from your Bible and read it for yourself.

doulos-christou-iesou wrote:
I'm a Dispensationalist. That means that everyone condemns me without knowing just what I believe. They just loath the lable.

One Way One Truth
Call yourself what you want, not important.
The Bible calls His followers, Christians, and unlike BR, only one flavor.
The Bible, most un PC that you can get.

Should I feel sorry for you

Yes

Just as with the muslem
have you heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ?