John Yurich USA wrote: I seek the Lord every day. Every night I ask Jesus for forgiveness of any sin I may have committed during the day and ask Him for guidance. And thus I am not deluded. I don't have aspergers. I am totally normal.
Do you examine yourself to see if you are in the faith?:
2 Corinthians 13:5-7
5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
6 But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates.
7 Now I pray to God that ye do no evil; not that we should appear approved, but that ye should do that which is honest, though we be as reprobates.
How come everyone here sees you as just a lost person? Could it be you are a tare Or a goat and just so deluded you donāt even know it? I cannot see someone who has the Spirit of God dwelling in them in continuous sin and the Holy Spirit not chastise them. If you be without chastisement you are not a child of God.
John Yurich USA wrote: Yes, I am moral like Trump.
I agree! I think you are about as regenerated by the Holy Spirit as Trump is! Now since you said a little prayer and have āgaveā your life to Jesus in 1997 no use in continuing to seek the Lord, been there done that
If you donāt have aspergers you are totally deluded. If you do have aspergers you need to realize your shortcomings and take some advice from all these people here. Is it not strange everyone sees you here as a lost person?
John Yurich USA wrote: No, because I am Baptist and Trump is not Baptist.
Baptist means nothing. Those people in the other article say they are baptist as well and they have a female pastor. You said that Trump was a moral man in another thread. So would you say you are moral like Trump is?
Just a guy wrote: Once again. No biblical examples to support the current system. Every "laborer is worthy of his wages" does not support the lifetime of benefits for veterans. It simply state a fact about all businesses and their workers. I would love a scriptural view from anyone. And of course as many of you are veterans, you won't change your mind. But that is not my intention anyway. It just so you will understand my veiw point....
It is the understanding of a man before he joins that he will be entitled to those benefits when he joins. This is the understanding and the agreed upon wage for his service. What if you joined a company because it had a pension and they decided to just cut it off? Bet you might look at that different since part of the reason you took the job was because of the benefits. You could cut off these benefits to all new enlisted persons with them knowing they wouldnāt get these benefits and whoever signed up after that point it would be fair because that was the agreed upon wage. To not give people the benefits they have earned by their service is dishonest. You donāt need to have a passage from the Bible quoted to realize that. Do you get a retirement?
John Yurich USA wrote: My Baptist Pastor is not stating there are born again individuals who reject Christ. If one is born again then they have given in to the urging of the Holy Spirit to receive Jesus as their Lord and Savior. If one has not given in to the urging of the Holy Spirit to receive Jesus as their Lord and Savior then they do not become born again.
Thatās not what you said. Hereās what you said:
John Yurich USA wrote: Born Again by the Holy Spirit means according to what my Pastor has stated is that the Holy Spirit urges someone to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior. And the individual can either choose to follow the urging of the Holy Spirit and accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior or not.
You just said being born again by the Holy Spirit is an āurgingā one can either accept or reject. You need to stop speaking for other people as that is false witness as you donāt seem to even know what you are talking about. If you were to reread our exchange you will find your beliefs donāt match your churcheās statement of faith. Your church states those who are born again come to faith in Jesus Christ. You state you are born again by believing in Christ. They are two different things.
John Yurich USA wrote: Born Again by the Holy Spirit means according to what my Pastor has stated is that the Holy Spirit urges someone to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior. And the individual can either choose to follow the urging of the Holy Spirit and accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior or not. For several years prior to my accepting Jesus as my Lord and Savior I was urged by the Holy Spirit to accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior but I kept putting it off until November 1997 when I decided to abide by the urging of the Holy Spirit and accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior.
So your pastor is saying there are born again people who reject Christ? 1 John 3:9
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
So your saying born again people can stay in the sin of unbelief? No wonder no one takes your comments seriously. You are either lying or pastor Steve has no idea what he is saying. Stop constantly making claims that arenāt true and donāt give out peopleās names from your church!
John Yurich USA wrote: So there is no doubt about what my Baptist Church teaches about salvation, here is a direct quote from their Statement of Faith pertaining to salvation: We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died in our place, according to the Scriptures, as the only satisfactory substitution to make atonement for our sins. He took upon Himself the penalty for our sin so that all who are Born Again of the Holy Spirit, believe in Him, receive the gift of His grace and are justified before God, thereby becoming children of God. You guys can't deny that my Baptist Church teaches the biblical doctrine of salvation now that you guys read their doctrinal position on salvation.
Your churches statement of faith says: āall who are Born Again of the Holy Spirit, believe in Himā
You claim that one must āembrace Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviorā and your churcheās statement of faith says you must be born again by the Holy Spirit before believing in Him. Your beliefs donāt match that statement of faith.
Itās says you must be born again by the Holy Spirit not āpromptedā.š
John UK wrote: All okay here bro, except ailments of course. It comes with age. You know, I hesitate to recommend Presbyterian friends to read Calvin on the subject of baptism, lest they see the objection and leave their church. A lot of the WCF is fine by me, and not a lot different from the 1689 Baptist confession. But infant baptism is the sticking point, and so, so, dangerous. Hope you are good, brother, and progressing in your....er....er....knowledge of Jesus. Yes, that's it.
Yeah I have many Presbyterian brothers and sister but I canāt agree with their position on baptism. I like to think Iām growing in my relationship with Jesus Lord willing. Take care Bro.
John UK wrote: Kev, I've had hundreds of convos with Presbyterians on this forum, on this very subject, and I've yet to come across one who understood the WCF statement on baptism, relating as it does to a single verse in Genesis and a carry-through from circumcision to the new covenant. Now if they were to read the Institutes on this subject, written by John Calvin, they would see exactly what the Presbyterian position is all about. And it is not good.
Hey John hope all is going well with you and itās getting warmer down your way. Yeah I agree exactly thatās why when someone suggested to read the WCF to understand baptism I just had to post that up lol. Yeah not to interested in having an infant baptism debate either it is no use.
John Yurich USA wrote: Pastor believes in election just not the Calvinist satanic idea of election. The kind of election that Pastor believes in is that God chooses individuals to be saved by the preaching of the Gospel of Christ and lets individuals use their free will to decide whether to embrace Christ or not. God never forces salvation on anybody.
You should watch what you call satanic. You might just blaspheme the work of the Holy Spirit. So if you call the effectual calling of the Holy Spirit in calling out His people, His elect, satanic, what does that make a church that preaches another gospel(according to you)?
Iād imagine a satanic church would say they eat and drink the actual blood and body of Christ and trample on the finished work of Christ by offering Him up afresh. Now that is satanic for sure!
What does election even mean John? I doubt you even know. Stop constantly lying, I doubt you even know Steveās position enough to say the things you do because your response shows you have no idea how āelectā or āelectionā is used in the Bible. Why donāt you study your bible for once.
Lisa wrote: I am Presbyterian and find some of these comments extremely uncharitable! Bible- believing Presbyterians don't merely believe in baptizing their children and certainly don't believe or teach that it saves them. You can study the doctrines further in the Westminster Confession of Faith. Attacking each other's belief on baptism when good men have held to opposite views throughout history hurts the unity of believers.
Westminster Confession of Faith. VI. The efficacy of Baptism is not tied to that moment of time wherein it is administered; yet, notwithstanding, by the right use of this ordinance, the grace promised is not only offered, but really exhibited, and conferred, by the Holy Ghost, to such (whether of age or infants) as that grace belongs unto, according to the counsel of God's own will, in His appointed time.
Dont know what this all means?: āby the right use of this ordinance, the grace promised is not only offered, but really exhibited, and conferred, by the Holy Ghost, to such (whether of age or infants)ā
So if you do the āsacramentā right, the Holy Spirit will....I donāt think anyone was attacking your faith. The Westminster Confession of Faith was written so as to be left open to interpretation.
John Yurich USA wrote: My Baptist Church is not a liberal Baptist Church but is a conservative Baptist Church because Pastor and every member is a conservative Republican. Pastor has a problem with the Mass because he stated so. I ought to know that I belong to a conservative Baptist Church.
There you go lying again saying every member is republican. How can you know that? From what you describe you belong to an ecumenical liberal church. Pastor Steve has no idea what he is talking about as you told us pastor Steve said election was a satanic lie.
I read an article on aspergers a type of autism and it fits you perfect. I tell you what, I would rather be someone with aspergers making the comments you do than someone without any disability saying the things you do. I also would rather be a person with aspergers who when asked if I have a disability told them it was none of their business or ignored their question than a liar. You either have some kind of an issue and need to be honest with yourself or you are a divisive disobedient to the word of God person. If you are for real you need to get truthful with yourself!
John Yurich USA wrote: I don't believe any of the false Catholic doctrines. I don't believe the Mass is a sacrifice and I don't believe any of the other false Catholic doctrines. I believe the Baptist doctrines. It is not against my Baptist Church to attend Mass or the Lutheran Church.
Only liberal baptist churches are not against the Catholic Church.
Here is the SBC southern baptist convention stand on the Catholic Church. http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2001/marchweb-only/3-26-12.0.html
Here is the 1689 Baptist confession of faith on the Catholic Church: Chapter 26 4. The Lord Jesus Christ is the Head of the church, in whom, by the appointment of the Father, all power for the calling, institution, order or government of the church, is invested in a supreme and sovereign manner; neither can the Pope of Rome in any sense be head thereof, but is that antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalteth himself in the church against Christ, and all that is called God; whom the Lord shall destroy with the brightness of his coming. ( Colossians 1:18; Matthew 28:18-20; Ephesians 4:11, 12; 2 Thessalonians 2:2-9 )
You belong to a liberal church if they have no problem with you attending mass! Thatās a fact.
John Yurich USA wrote: There are other members of my Baptist Church who attend other churches on Christmas and Easter like the Lutheran Church and Episcopal Church and my Baptist Pastor does not consider that misbehavior either.
Are those accursed churches as well? You said the Roman Catholic Church preaches another gospel and the Bible says;
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Going to an accursed church is being disobedient to the word of God! Been watching will be discussing your error not others. You need to concentrate on yourself.