John UK wrote:
Acts 15:1-2 KJV
1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
Please notice that even if you read the whole context, there is no mention here of "baptism replacing circumcision". Funny that the apostles didn't mention that, when confronted with the issue.
The claim that the early church held the Presby version of things is a false claim and ought to be looked at in all sincerity, in seeking out the truth and rejecting the lie.

John Yurich USA wrote:
....Evangelical Protestants on here state erroneously that unless one who is Born Again leaves the Catholic Church that they are not really saved.

Now here is a genuine church amongst whom the Lord Jesus walked. But he warns of a few that held to false doctrine and caused some to stumble. He says that he would fight against them if this was not sorted.

mourner wrote:
Since I'm usually more cryptic then clear, it is easy for me; however to be clear and not to sin isn't so easy.
I need to hold fast to the word of God and not waiver trusting he will do as he promises giving me the grace to endure, which to date he has done. Sadly the whole situation (division) was stirred up a year or two ago related to food stamps. I am not free to take them related to my convictions and for that reason there was much manipulation to press me to do so. I have held out this long. The last few years have been most interesting to see the many ways the Lord provides daily bread and or heat. He has straightened me, but has never left me without my needs, He is very creative. It was told to those who disagree with me (division) by those who were dispensing them (food stamps)that I could not be forced to take them, and they would step in only if necessary. What does that when necessary look like? ergo questioners.
I am in the refiners fire and holding to convictions that others don't share. The others are in the vast majority. That is refining. I barter.

If I might add wrote:
John 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh fom God only?

SteveR wrote:
Even those of faith can be weak creatures
John 12:42 Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
John 12:43 For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

John 15:19
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

1 John 2:15
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

SteveR wrote:
Can not the LORD come to him, or anyone, in an RCC and save them as well? Is their error so deep even God cant save them?

MG wrote:
The New Covenant: "I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them". Heb 10:16

MG wrote:
Apostle B, I've wondered the same thing concerning when and how to keep the 7th day Sabbath. I've now gone back to what we call Saturday, after decades of only Sunday "observance". There are a lot of teachings and books on how we can change the original command to a Sunday but in the end it was just (I believe) the Holy Spirit's prodding and the teaching of Scripture that led us to going back to the 7th, rather than the 1st day. I must admit Rome's direct teaching of swapping days and wanting everyone to follow also clarified (to us) that it was man's doing and not GOD's.
Please note that nothing I've said on this post is to condemn anyone, but simply to challenge. I had the same view as most no too long ago!

mourner wrote:
Thank you Dorcus, I have much need of prayer at this time. My stands for the truth, for I fear offending God, have been costly in that they have stirred much ire and retaliation has moved to persecution since last winter. I am being hard pressed on every side. My greatest grief is my sin and that I am so easily given to fear, instead of trust, words instead of silence. 1 Peter 2:19-25 O that the Lord would cause me to rejoice and be exceeding glad, knowing that great is my reward in heaven. The Lord did deliver me even this day from one of the questioners and round two is Tuesday.
Singing psalm 34

the oath wrote:
13 For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,
14 Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee.
15 And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.
16 For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife.
17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:
18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
19 Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;
20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Renewed NOT Replaced wrote:
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Only the detail of the Covenant has changed. Christ is the Mediator of the same Covenant today as the Covenant and the promises made to the Fathers and the oath made to Abraham. EVERLASTING means everlasting.

Would you please answer my previous post?

You may be interested to read how a famous Baptist preacher (you may even have heard of him ) sees Christ in the OT:

[URL=https://archive.org/stream/christinoldtesta00spur#page/n5/mode/2up]]] Christ in the OT - sermons by C H Spurgeon [/URL]

Guess what? No sermon on Genesis 17 or this fictitious everlasting covenant of grace that you see there.

You might find it quite an education.

John UK wrote:
Bill Nye hopes it will go out of business, and so does the devil. But many Christians will be praying for this testimony, that God will prosper it.
Can't stop, off to work.

Renewed NOT Replaced wrote:
....Deal with the "Everlasting Covenant" (Gen.17) - Promised to us by GOD.
GOD said "Everlasting Covenant" - Do you call God a liar?
(Just to establish your Tradition)

You want the EVERLASTING in verse 7 to mean forever and ever.

What about the EVERLASTING in verse 8 regarding the land promise?

Was God lying, when he gave the land over to other nations when the Jews disobeyed him? And if the land promise was not therefore EVERLASTING in your sense, since v7 forms part of the same covenant, why do you believe that the EVERLASTING in v7 means anything different?

Or are you making GOD out be a liar by misinterpreting the verses to establish your tradition?

Dolores wrote:
Dopey is right on a lot of things posted here and uses scripture to prove his point, that I agree with.

Michael Hranek wrote:
...While Prophecy is indeed an important matter to believers IMHO it might be a distraction to hide the real issue at stake
I would think you already know this and would likely not fore example agrue Prophecy with
Jehovah's Witnessess
Mormons
or
Muslim
or even so called emergent

Sure I know. I just wanted to see how far he would go to distort God's word to support his viewpoint.

Dopey wrote:
God: "And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces."---2 Kings 2:11-12
Dopey: Lurker do you notice in 2 Kings 2:11-12 that Elijah got raptured?
What do you think Elijah's rapture is witnessing to Lurker?

Strat wrote:
Yeah,but not all apolgetics stick to quoting scripture....much of it is man's reasoning,to that extent I am right.
My point is that the plain word of God should be enough,for those who it is not enough one has to wonder.

John Yurich USA wrote:
My thoughts on the subject matter of this survey were original.

John Yurich USA wrote:
Verbally communicating to individuals that salvation comes only through embracing Jesus as ones Savior and trusting in Him alone for salvation is not the only way to do it. It can also be done by leaving salvation tracts at various locations around town and via written communication on discussion forums.

John Yurich USA wrote:
Headcoverings are scriptural and women should wear headcoverings to church. When I get married I will make my wife wear a headcovering to church.