Frank wrote: If someone believes it is a sin to drink alcohol, it is a sin. If they do not think that, then it isn't
Situational ethics accomodate truth
MS "Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eats not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin."
What is considered sin in this passage is doubting about the matter, not taking a stand about the issue.
'Opinions' are not biblical. They are a humanistic devise to accomodate truth in order to make us all feel happy with whatever take we incline to. It is pluralism.
The word is yeah, yeah, and nay, nay, and whatever else comes from it out of that is sin.
We are called to keep unity in truth.
"... he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, ... Till we all come in the unity of the faith"
Instead of entertaining opinions we are to endeavour to
"... walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
hey_yo wrote: 1. 1 Corinthians 2:8-14 ... God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: ... we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; ... But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
2. The quiet Christian wrote, ... mystery to me is how and why the Lord would permit those whom He has redeemed to have differences of opinion
1. Thank you
2. QC The assumption is that because as believers we have the unction from on high, say the Spirit of God in us, we are always walking in the Spirit as a given, and not ever yielding to our own understanding. This is a fallacy.
Hence dogmatism over different takes, often root not out from the Spirit, but from our own past baggage, or from our own sinful tendencies and hearts that condone fleshly attitudes or conditioned understanding. Then we like to name such as 'opinions' to allow us all be right.
Then such called opinions are held as sacred untouchable valid assumptions.
Frank wrote: 1. ... Every man at the beginning does set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now ... v.10 will only be understood by someone who understands the effect of real alcohol
2. Christ made real alcohol; not grape juice.
3. â€ś... Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners
4. ... wisdom is justified of her childrenâ€ť
5. ... winebibber means a drunkard ... they saw Christ ... drink alcohol.
6. If ... drinking a form of grape juice
7. Christ never drank to excess.
8. If someone believes it is a sin to drink alcohol, it is a sin. If they do not think that, then it isn't.
Drunkenness being the serious issue it is in our society and for enlightenment of any new stopping by, a check of half truths, rabbit trails and presumptions argued upon.
1. False assumption that bad or good wine is determined by intoxicating power.
2.&6. Not stated
3. So by Christ's critics mouth is is implied that he sinned as a 'gluttonous'
4. The acts of those practicing wisdom become obvious by the results
5. Nazerite abstinence context missing
7. Dituled domestic wine could hardly get a man drunk
The Quiet Christian wrote: ... There is a verse in Dueteronomy in which Moses instructs Israel that if that cannot bring animals to sacrifice atbone of the required feasts, they may bring money and buy whatever they like, including "strong drink." ... Cannabis is not mentioned in Scripture but the effect of creating a drunkenness state would place it beyond those same boundaries.
Strong drink in Scriptures was "intoxicant, or intensely alcoholic liquor" and used as morphine today.
"Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts."
While the biblical domestic wine's alcohol content diferred from the present empowered wine table or brandy, and seemed to have being used as antidepressants today.
The slippery slope of modern substance abuse is tricky, and still is true that "fools die for want of wisdom"
Chrisgp from England wrote: ... the â€śMaskedâ€ť Church!!!
"... it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not *muzzle* the mouth of the ox that treads out the corn. Does God take care for oxen? Or said he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that plows should plow in hope; and that he that threshes in hope should be partaker of his hope."
Besides the clasical meaning of putting a muzzle on an animal to stop it from biting or eating, there is also figuratively the sense by which to muzzle points to prevent "a person, newspaper or entity from expressing opinions"
Actually the Greek word for muzzle means to put to silence, speechless, and masks are figuratively putting the population into a state of numb subjection, fomenting with the distancing measures an introvert, isolated, retracted and dejected society, because the mouth is the main organ for verbal communication, and God's design is for man to feed on the hope and function of his words.
"The words of a man's mouth are as deep waters, and the wellspring of wisdom as a flowing brook"
Masks, not only intrude into man's life fulfilment but may empoverish society,
"The lips of the righteous feed many: but fools die for want of wisdom"
Chrisgp from England wrote: Compulsory masks for all, even including little children, inside and outside, with virtually no exceptions in some states, is a prelude to forced vaccination with the aborted foetuses (that is murdered babies), epigenetic (that is changing your DNA permanently), and most likely also with a permanent tattoo or internal ink marker or chip of some kind (scannable to prove you have had the vaccination) Bil Gated style vaccine. The whole thing will be rolled out as the only way you will be allowed to go back to â€śnormalâ€ť life, or to travel â€śnormallyâ€ť. Those who do not comply, will be excluded from â€śnormalâ€ť life, or may even be fined or jailed, or like as in China, their social credit will be affected for the worse!! The globalists and UN meeting in Davos, Switzerland in January are sure to demand this in their â€śGlobal Resetâ€ť.
Only because of providence the ethnic Jews were not delivered and exterminated in the book of Esther. In God should we trust to live.
'How the Story of Providence Ends' by Marc Bertrand Sermon based on Esther 10
Lurker wrote: In this case it's speculation. Biden called for mandatory masks for the next three months and, as a candidate for president, he has no authority to mandate anything. So it's just a politically motivated stunt to position himself in a better light than Trump, who wouldn't even consider such a mandate, for the upcoming presidential election. Pandering for votes.... 'This is what I'd do if I were president now.' Liberals will lap it up and conservatives will laugh it off for the mindless stunt it is.
Yet the average over-zealous population on hearing the term 'mandate' they interpret it in their brain as next to being a 'command', with criminal implication, ready to 'comply' when in reality it ought to be taken as an option, as personal safety is a personal duty, responsibility, task and choice, not to be implemented in block, human rights pointing to infringing freedoms when imposing the likes.
As for caring for our neighbour, plenty of evidence is missing to demonstrate the severe contagiousness. However, such is the indoctrination...
Surprisingly, the 'orders' nowadays do not come from the average practicing medical profession, but from civil 'parroting' entrenched in political endowments.
Joe K wrote: It's amazing that masks will cure all. Especially since I read yesterday that Sweden didn't lockdown, or do mandatory masks. They barely have any cases, covid is disappearing there and the economy is not ruined. The article is on one news now website.
Or it appears that the 'intelligent' covid has a mind of its own, going rather for specific nationalities, as UK, USA, mainly... Wonder??
Thomas Maxwell wrote: What do you think about services and masses being live-streamed and regular churchgoers just viewing it from home and not receiving the Holy Eucharist? The essence of the Sunday Mass it the body of Christ, is it not?
Thank you, CV, for your candour and honesty in your last post.
Yes, most people get converted through Arminians, because knownly or not, the call of the Gospel is given in the biblical way.
The first words of Christ ministry were, 'Repent and believe the gospel', Paul urged people to 'be reconciled with God', Peter anounced that they had to 'repent and be converted' and so on.
The stiff upper-lip hypercalvinist is afraid of such statements in case their over polished pet doctrines get compromised.
We are to preach, but God does the preparation of the soul, the opening of the heart, as said of Lydia, the willing, the drawing to himself, the awakening of the spirit, the convicting, the opening of the ear, the softness of heart, the opening of the understanding, etc...
Someone said that we are to preach as if all depended on us, but pray as if all depended on God.
He that sows the seed will turn up with his sheaves, is the promise, because the call of the Gospel is *guaranteed* by the eternal election.