Mike wrote:
Jessica, I have a question. How would you apply R&R's statement of April 17 9:54 PM to this issue of abortion?
"Are all these terrible tragedies outside of God's purpose and will? You are not getting the big picture. God is outside of all these little happenings. He blends the good and the bad into a grand tapestry to bring to pass His glory on earth."

I went and read the comment and my outlook is Luke 17:1: "Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!"

Romans 6:16 NKJV Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

Revivalandreformation wrote:
Remember this verse, Jessica?
James 2.10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."
Be careful with that mentality. If you decide to follow one part of the Law you automatically place yourself under obligation to follow ALL the Law.

Revivalandreformation wrote:
We are under Grace now, we are no longer compelled, commanded or forced to give 10%, but we are told as we purpose in our hearts. Can we not agree on this?

Yet, If your offering to God isn't given out of love, generosity and is done in bitterness and regret: God does not accept it gladly from your hand.

Luke 11:38-44 And when the Pharisee saw it, he marvelled that he had not first washed before dinner. And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness. Ye fools, did not he that made that which is without make that which is within also? But rather give alms of such things as ye have; and, behold, all things are clean unto you. But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye love the uppermost seats in the synagogues, and greetings in the markets. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them.

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When someone is sexually assaulted in The Church, we should mourn and not act like no wrong doing has occurred. The wrong doer should no longer be permitted to associate with the vulnerable and should be cast out and handed over to Satan if necessary.

The young women in the program were made out to be adulteresses by The Church, when they had been sexually abused. Some of the men in these Churches seem to be of the same mind with scribes and pharisees, where the fault of sexual immorality is placed upon the female.

It's sad when Churches fail in purity and have to be called out on it by outsiders.

vjking wrote:
1) First of all the question 'IS' a question, therefore what I am doing is making the point of where Jim's polemics are by using a question, - NOT the same as accusation. It is in effect a rhetorical use of question.
2) Apparently you hold yopurself as judge above me, since your implication is that "I" have twisted Scripture. I do not "twist" Scripture. The Holy Spirit is my guide and teacher. Christ is my Lord.
James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

Again, your quote to Jim: "b] Oh I see Jim, you are saying that "sinners" should not use the Bible.
That sounds like something Satan would encourage, - are you in league with Satan, Jim???"

My point was regarding, if sinners should use the Bible. And, I believe that there are some sinners who should not use the Bible, because they will twist it to their own destruction.

I was not referring to you in this regard whatsoever, because you are a believer. I was referring to non-believers, who are hostile against God's Word.

vjking wrote:
I read, meditate and pray over the Word of God daily. Is your point that I do not understand them as well as you do?
Apparently 6 and 1/2 Billion lives today "hang in the balance." Shall I pray for them all?
Or shall I trust in God to save His elect?
And pray in the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
Eph 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

Since we are not allowed to direct personal attacks towards others on these boards, I believe you crossed the line in the way you talked to Jim.

My other point is, that even The Scriptures talk of persons, who twist the Scriptures to their own destruction. And, I question whether such people should actually read God's Word?

It seems "the taste of a new generation," was tested on the remains of the last generation! Hey, I know how you can see how sweet something is! Actually taste it!

MSG is usually put into products, to cover up the flavour of inferior ingredients. We don't need new chemicals in our food, we need real food.

vjking wrote:
b] Oh I see Jim, you are saying that "sinners" should not use the Bible.
That sounds like something Satan would encourage, - are you in league with Satan, Jim???

2 Peter 3:16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

Matthew 5:44-46 KJV But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

Jesus died to save, people who have sexual deviant practices. And, for the sin of mankind, such as: gossip, greed, lust, idolatry and many other sins. I still struggle with gossip and anger. Therfore, I am called to be merciful to those who are in sin, since I am also suseptable to sin.

God is seeking to save LGBT people!

In my short lifetime many words have changed meaning, and The KJV is 400 years old! To many, it is like reading another language! I regard The King James translation as The Word of God for the most part, though I do not know whether the word "unicorn" is an accurate word translation.

Whatever translation a person reads, if the person obeys the truths that are presented: Then God will reveal more truth unto them. Like loving God with all their heart, and loving their neighbours.

Matthew 22:37-39 KJV Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Matthew 22:37 NKJV Jesus said to him, “ ‘You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’

Jim Lincoln wrote:
As has been pointed out God considers abortion murder.
Exodus 21
22 "And if men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no further injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman's husband may demand of him; and he shall pay as the judges decide.
23 "But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life,---[URL=http://www.lockman.org/nasb/nasbcmp.php]]]NASB[/URL]

The mainstream may stand out as exceedingly sinful here, but religion is not near extinct at the present time.

Micah 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

On these message boards, people are attacking everyone else with the translation they use. One calls The NIV translation evil and another calls The KJV "magical". With everyone speaking evil of every different translation, someone is bound to "cut down the wrong tree" and find themselves burning in hell!

It is presumptuous to say that all Canadians who read The Bible, are reading The KJV. Get into a Bible study here, and there might be three to five different translations in one group.