Adriel wrote:
The U.K. Does not have a government anymore.

Adriel wrote:
Only a Remnant will be saved.

Romans 9:27-29 KJV
(27)  Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
(28)  For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.
(29)  And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.

Romans 11:5 KJV
(5)  Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

A remnant according to the election of grace.

His nephew Costi Hinn, who travelled with his uncle all over the world for a year, was once into that family business we could describe as "making money out of religion", but come the end of the year he was so disgusted at the trickery, the deceit, the blatant lying, of his uncle and the whole team, that he departed from it all, the family, the wealth, everything. It sounds like he has found a better way.

He brings out a book, exposing the fraud his uncle is.

Benny Hinn reads it, and poof, all on a sudden, he's coming out with damage limitation in the guise of a change of heart. But that change of heart does not include telling people to stop sending him money. He wants them now to send him money out of love for Jesus. Hypocrite! He still loves money, and he wants more and more. And he will feign anything to get at it.

Be not deceived YIA.

Christopher000 wrote:
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How many use God Almighty in their get rich quick schemes? They've reaped their temporary, earthly reward, but they'll be finding out one day, very unfortunately, how their passion for riches through deception, exacts a heavy, eternal toll. Tragic.
Seriously, to use God as a tool for wealth, and personal, material gain, while deceiving multitudes to get it done? Mind blowing.

Adriel wrote:
I guess Benny's bank account is sufficiently full at this moment in time.
But watch this space for future Benny news on his millionaire lifestyle.
"Israeli televangelist, Benny Hinn is best known for his regular “Miracle Crusades” – revival meeting/faith healing summits that are usually held in large stadiums in major cities, which are later broadcast worldwide on his television program, “This Is Your Day”.
His Net worth is $42 million.
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Poor old Kenneth Copeland is only worth $760 Million.
And poor old Joel Osteen is a mere $40 Million.
Aaww poor fellas!!!

The IDIMW people don't care for what the Bible teaches.

Just Saying wrote:
John, I understand your concerns completely. And I share them. Ultimately I simply pray that Christ will keep and protect His church till He returns.
Thanks for taking the time to talk to me about this.

Now then Christopher tell me, are you waiting for something from me? Or am I waiting for something from you?
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Oh, one other thing. Here is an unusual pioneering small house church, which is clearly using a stringed instrument, human voices with 2+ part harmonies, with spontaneous shouts of praise, and in the middle prayers and intercessions, also using a part of the body to make percussive sounds, and they are singing Psalm 46 from the Scottish Psalter, using the tune from "I heard the Voice of Jesus say..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRwOZcP8k9g

Just Saying wrote:
John, Thank you for the verse. Very helpful. By the way, I didn’t say God’s blessing meant my church was right, just that he won’t stop using a church because they sing hymns.

I will try to explain my concern as best I can. Of course, it is biblical that God can draw a straight line with a bent stick. If he couldn't do that, wherever should we be?

God can also save a multitude through the preaching of the Good News Bible or the NIV.

The Holy Spirit can presence himself in meetings where no psalms are sung, only emotive hymns and songs (witness the 1904/5 revival in Wales).

I must tell you that I was mighty blessed reading through your post and noting how observant you have been, and how you are prioritizing issues into important and less important and so on.

There will be occasions when one man will preach or teach a congregation who are all facing him (see Paul at Ephesus), but as I see it, this is not the norm for an assembly gathering, where it appears each one is to be involved in order to edify one another, and for this to happen, the pulpit/pew system will never work. The only churches I have seen who have this correct are the Brethren churches (of the George Mueller of Bristol fame).

One answer to your question is 1 Corinthians 14:26 ff which makes this very clear.

Just Saying wrote:
I’m not sure what exactly those principles are but my pastor uses traditional hymns that use major emphasis on melody (which stirs the soul) and harmony (which stirs the spirit) and little emphasis on rythym (which stirs the flesh)
I do believe God had given instruction on how to worship him. God gave Moses directions on how to worship him, including singers, but I see no record of the songs he told them to sing. Or when they came out of Egypt, God had not given them any song to sing yet they did sing and God was very pleased by it. So much so that he references it later in Hosea 2:15. They made up music to praise God. So did Deborah and Barak. If God was pleased with it then, why not now?

A harder question is regulative v normative and you can see the basic difference here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normative_principle_of_worship

Just Saying wrote:
John UK
1. If we pray from our hearts with our own words is it wrong?

2. If not, is it wrong to put the same prayer to music?

1. It can be very wrong. Jeremiah 17:9 tells us what our heart is like. But we are to ask in accordance with his will. We are to pray in the Spirit on all occasions. "Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss..."

It can also be very right, and I am a firm believer in both extempore praying and preaching, notwithstanding the taint of sin in both. There is biblical warrant for this, which is the main thing, as far as I am concerned.

Just Saying wrote:
I believe that singing psalms is wonderful and special but I still see no scripture that says to only sing psalms.
Can you answer this one question for me please with a simple yes or no.
Do you believe it is a sin to sing anything other than a psalm to praise God?

The answer to your first query has to first deal with the overriding question: has God given us instruction how his creatures are to worship him? If no, you may do exactly how you please. If yes, you have to decide whether the regulative principle or normative principle is the correct way to go. All churches use one of the three, including your own church. Do you know which one?

To the second vague question, you want a simple yes or no answer. So I will give you what you want - a vague "no".
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Sister B, at the time when Paul wrote about psalms and hymns, everyone knew what he meant, because those terms were used regularly in his day.

Dr. Tim wrote:
Leviticus 19:28
Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

It is a fact that when a young person sees an older person, they imagine that person has always been old. In the same way, when you see me standing for PO you imagine it has always been that way from my birth. Not at all.

Around 2005, when I was almost a KJV-onlyist but not quite, I had a huge argument in Oulton Broad Free Presbyterian Church with a Baptist who claimed that the 'psalms, hymns and spiritual songs' in Ephesians 5:19 and Colossians 3:16 actually all referred to psalms. I lifted up my voice and shouted at him (to my shame) and stormed out of the building, thinking him to be some Bible corrupter. This was due to my lack of knowledge, simple as that. I phoned him some years later to apologise, as I found that he was correct all along. But you will never find this out by the simple reading of the Bible, because there is nothing wrong with the translation.

The subject is massive, and takes much digging into, but if you wish to make a simple start, I've dug out for you a suitable very short article which will help you along the narrow road which leads to life.

Frank wrote:
Hey Pilgrim,
I am so happy that my wife and I appear to be safe; praise the Lord. Now if the Lord takes this storm out into the Atlantic and it self destructs without causing any more damage, my prayers would be fully and completely answered.

Adriel wrote:
Sadly for the people in Hong Kong this is democracy against communism - And never the twain shall meet (or agree).

Christopher000 wrote:
I don't think I'd say, incorrect, but like I've said, to me, exclusivity makes Psalms only, incomplete, when it comes to praise and worship through song, by excluding the incarnation, death, resurrection, and more.

It has to be experienced to be believed. It is rather like doubting Thomas, whom Jesus loved, and who was willing to show him the wounds in his hands and side to assist him in believing the resurrection. So it is with Psalm singing. Mockers will never know the joy of it; arguers will never know the truth of it; "I did it my way people" will never grasp the importance of the Bible in showing us what God wants us to do.