I'm still waking up, having a coffee, and have to get to work soon, but should have some extra time this afternoon. My days are very hectic, sorry. Any chance you could give this a quick read in the meantime:

http://www.gospeloutreach.net/allworld.html

These are some of the summarized arguments with "world" and "all", and I'm curious how they'd be rebutted as being wrong, as one example in scripture. The article is pretty short, but if you don't care to read it, I understand. I sure wish I had the day free to just discuss all of this, because valid arguments from both sides need to be discussed, instead of dismissed.

I've been curious about all of the deleted comments yesterday, following my own, which isn't like you. Were you taking me to task over the comments I made? Just curious.

All I was trying to say is that differences should be set aside on topics like this, and "evidences" discussed for, hopefully, for the edification of all.

Hi John, Maybe I should summarize, in case anyone mis-understood. I wasn't promoting any specific view, but rather, I was saying that it's still a difficult topic for me to process, and get a grasp of. There aren't any contradictions in scripture, even though on this particular topic, there seem to be, even though I know there aren't, if that makes any sense. My confusion lies in, "all", "whole", "anyone", "world", "What must I do to be saved-Believe", and I could go on, then, I could rattle off many verses. My current view is John 3:16, but then, I have to reconcile being predestinated, and election, so that's where my trouble begins. Frank has a great meditation on this, but then I read all of the other arguments, and all-around, every one is certain they're right.

I said that Ladybug makes some good points, but others also reference verses used as rebuttals, so my whole point was that instead of just dismissing everything because it doesn't jive with someones view, it would be real interesting to see how one person reconciles another's argument, instead of just ignoring them, altogether.

The thing for me is that simple readings of scripture often give me completely different scenarios at first glance, as I'm sure it does for most, and a person really needs to dig around and study to get some things to read in completely different ways, and take on different meanings, and therein lies the root of the issue. Sometimes we read, but neglect deeper study, sometimes we read out of context, sometimes we read how we want something to read, and sometimes we try force something to say that which it just doesn't. So how do we solve this, in order to make certain that we aren't mis-understanding, mis-interpreting, or trying to force scripture to agree with what we've been taught, or personally concluded? Honest, unbiased study, beginning with a clean, undoctrinated slate, but is that even possible? I think it is, but it's a difficult thing for most.

I haven't dug into the schools core teachings, but this is disturbing, nonetheless. The State licensing needed in California for a Christian based school, is tantamount to the restrictions of a 501C3 church that agrees to hush their mouths, and comprimise in the name of State funding, or tax breaks/freedoms. I'm assuming River View isn't private, but if it is, then I guess the State makes sure they're own agendas are met with the licensing stipulations and requirements.

Nope, but I figured I'd just missed those parts of the fair and balanced reporting. I'm sure it was just a mass-oversight; a glitch. I'm sure they meant well.

"Members see their faith as the restoration of original Christianity, which they believe died with the last of Jesus Christ’s original apostles and was not restored until the 20th century.

Some critics have accused the church of being a “cult of personality” centered on its leader, whom church members call “the Apostle of Jesus Christ.” The apostle is frequently referenced during the church’s services and members have described seeing or listening to him as a transcendent, spiritual experience."

Interesting, because we don't normally see a cult being this large in number, and a cult is exactly what it is. I suppose the Church of Rome can be labelled as a cult as well, by definition. I think Frank has called it as such, and after looking up the definition just now, it sticks just fine. I never thought it did until today.

Anyway, when I read about this imposter, it reminded me of the pedophile, rapist priests, who would listen to confessions, bless people, consecrate the Host, and preach God, all the while doing their dirty deeds, and probably lusting while in the middle of church business.

Hey Frank, yeah, and that's the kicker everytime you mention it...the man has no say, and is completely powerless. Nobody even talks about it, for that matter.

Will do, Connor. California is probably the most liberally, progressive state in the union, with a few others as close seconds, such as my own home state of Illinois, etc. California, like Nevada, is also home to dense clusters of Charismatic and Pentecostal churches, and ministries, which do more harm than good, so trouble abounds from all ends, and fervent prayer for all is in serious need.

"Thank you for choosing me and I'm honored to be given this gift of life and also I can't do it right now," the woman says. "I can't accept that mantle in terms of the other lives I'm taking care of and responsible for."

...then you shouldn't have become pregnant, only to murder two little lives, because you decided they're just not convenient at the moment. This smiling, gleeful monster is a perfect example of why so many helpless little babys are murdered, daily...Promiscuity and/or, a change of mind for emotional reasons, such as, "I'm just not ready for this right now".