"It had been as well if the legs of the gospel of the Reformation had been equal, for one was a little longer and a little stronger than the other, and therefore there was a limp â€” a halting like that of victorious Israel, as he came from Jabbok â€” but still a limp, which it would be well to cure. We have passed beyond the stage of dwelling too much on the cardinal doctrine, and I greatly fear that in these times we do not have enough preaching of justification by faith. I could wish the Lutheran times back again, and that the old thunders of Wittemberg could be heard once more; and yet I shall be glad if everything that is practical in the gospel shall also have its full sphere allotted to it. Imputed righteousness, by all means; but let us hear of imparted righteousness also; for both are precious boons of grace."
Sermon by Charles Spurgeon called "The Agreement of Salvation by Grace with Walking in Good Works" on the text:
Ephesians 2:9-10 KJV (9)Â Not of works, lest any man should boast. (10)Â For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Met Tab Pulpit Volume 37
Why walk with a limp when both justification and sanctification are by grace.
Mike wrote: In my State, NY establishes what are called standards to which all school districts must adhere. A district is allowed to decide their curriculum that would meet the standards. It's kind of like a parent telling a child he must wear shoes and socks, but allowing the child to decide what color socks to wear. IMO, the farther away control over education goes, the more unacceptable and inferior much of the education becomes. My daughter is a teacher in another State. She recently told me she is not allowed to fail students. One result? The students know this. There are some with character who will continue to work hard, and those who are less willing, get even lazier. They don't worry about failing, because they can't. Biblical principle issue- no warrant for government schools. Parental authority to raise, educate children
Thanks Mike, got it.
I like your argument for no state schools: no biblical warrant. That would extend also to universities and colleges.
B. McCausland wrote: John, you seem to dismiss the comments accounting for inaccuracies of death counts and the contradicting reality at ground zero at the sole expense of infallible Somerset belief, this is your choice.
Sister B, let me explain better what I am trying to say.
What if I could prove to you with incontrovertible evidence, that the numbers of deaths occurring since the C19 outbreak, were of such a higher figure than the average, that it would be necessary to say that there has to be a definite cause of those extra deaths.
Question: Do you believe I can do that?
If your answer is Yes, then what do you put those extra deaths above average down to?
If your answer is No, do you really believe that the Death Certificate System in place in the UK is being abused, and that there are people wandering about the UK whose deaths are recorded in Somerset House?
Three simple questions, sister. Then we will both know where we stand on this. Thank you.
B. McCausland wrote: Please, try a media fast, and stay away from the news screen for a month. You will be back with a different outlook.
Sister, I once went without a TV or radio for twenty years, and it was bliss. I didn't know what was going on outside of my remote village, and that suited me fine.
My recommendation for you is to go to Somerset House and do your research, using facts, to ascertain the numbers of deaths, and compare them with an average over twenty years. When you see a huge difference in the numbers of deaths beginning with C19 outbreak, you can then try to ascertain the cause of that big leap. I put it to you that the cause was an infectious disease, and that without lockdown and isolation, the numbers would have been even higher.
Watch carefully, as lockdown is eased back, and in places the numbers of infections and deaths begins to rise again. To me, that is proof positive. What is it saying to you?
B. McCausland wrote: Those are personal speculations based not on knowledge, but derived from all the given propaganda that withholds and often twicks real facts.
Sister, I would disagree. The speculations, sure, they are like projections, used often in business. So the actual figures I said may be inaccurate. However, deaths in the UK, as I have said many times, can be checked out at Somerset House, by any member of the public. And an investigation there would show that way above average figures of deaths in the UK since the outbreak of C19 were recorded. This cannot be gainsaid. Therefore, if the deaths were not due to C19, what then?
I would put it to you that the graphs shown on BBC every day were true not engineered. That the increase of deaths daily until they reached a peak of over a thousand every day, were due to the spread of C19, and that the peak was held at just over a thousand a day due to the lockdown measures and self-isolation, without which the graph would have increased and increased to an unknown figure.
BTW, the quote I posted was from a blog called 'The UK's Independent Fact Checking Charity'.
B. McCausland wrote: Any figure has to be put in the right context. What is the world wide population? How many deaths of average flu occur yearly world wide?
Good morning Sister B. Is this the sort of info you are looking for?
"The WHO estimates that between 290,000 and 650,000 respiratory deaths globally each year are associated with seasonal influenza."
When you consider that guvs all over the world are on a severe economic downturn because of their attempts to fight C19 through lockdowns and isolation etc. then the figure of over 500k deaths becomes meaningful. Imagine what that figure would have been if guvs had ignored the coronavirus. 500 million? A billion?
JD Saved by Grace wrote: Too much craziness is happening in the world, and it gets worse, day by day. Always something. If it's not one thing, it's another. Help me Lord Jesus.
It's a great prayer JD, simple and to the point. And with things hotting up in the world, we will be asking the Lord for his help more and more. Thankfully it is only for a season, and the joys of heaven will be ours.
The Quiet Christian wrote: I think we all saw this coming.
We sure did, Quiet Brother.
The UK has been very gracious in offering three million HK people a place back home if they wish it. I do not know how the numbers crunch, but it is a nice gesture. Of course it means upheaval, but it may be one way out.
Mike wrote: It's robbery when some of what you give them is given back, but disguised as aid. There is no issue with state gov maintaining state roads and bridges, state courts and police, etc. There is issue when they decree what shall be taught local schools. That isn't their realm of responsibility. State money used for schools, given as carrots to donkeys, would be better used for the services of which you wrote. If schools cannot pay their own way, where does the the funding come from, other than from the people in the first place? The districts need provide their own funding, or adjust superintendents' and teachers salaries and retirement packages according to what they can afford. Biblical, no?
Mike, are you saying that there has been a recent change in the system? That the curriculum in schools is now set by the state, whereas it was once set independently? That appears to be what you're saying.
As for biblical practice, I honestly do not know what the Bible teaches about it. Is there some teaching on schools? I mean schools which cater for every child, not just the people of God.
The USA could have done a "Darwin Experiment" instead of locking down. The experiment would have involved ignoring the so-called, imaginary virus from Wuhan, China, carrying on as normal; and then, if there actually was a virus which was capable of killing people, it would probably only have killed the weak and useless in society, and as Darwin proposed, the fittest would survive. I'm sorry if someone else proposed that already, I must have missed it.
Of course, in the UK, that would never happen. For some reason we are very careful to help the elderly and vulnerable, which is why the life expectancy age is so high now in the UK - it's because of the - wait for it - the National Health Service.
Mike wrote: It would be better if school districts paid their own way, instead of pretending State "aid" is anything more than robbery from taxpayers in all districts to bribe them each in return with the money robbed. Math seems to evade. It's like if I give $100 to Jim, and Carl gives $100 to Jim, and Jim keeps $40 for managing, then gives Carl and me back $80 each, calling it Jim aid in the process. Why is this hard to figure out?
I like the way you put that, Mike.
It's a bit like you giving Jim $100. He keeps $40 for managing, and with the rest he repairs the roads you drive on, maintains the court rooms, police and fire service etc, and whatever else the guv does with tax money. I'm not sure though why you call it robbery of taxpayers. Do you not believe in that system, which is the same in the UK? Is there another system which I've never heard of? You hinted at school districts paying their own way. How would that work out in practice?
Frank wrote: 1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
And like you said; I have learned much from women on this forum and in my email exchanges. The Lord leads and guides them the same way He does you and I. And their different perspectives are very helpful.
Frank, I am convinced that some women are especially gifted by the Lord, and can be a great blessing. Sometimes, as you say, their "different perspectives" are very helpful. [I agree with the rest of your post.]
I just caught this from your previous post:
"Let me just say this; anything I have done for the Lord was done by the Lord. Nothing I have ever done was because I had any special calling or bravery. Our heavenly Father never shares His glory with anyone."
"Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."
Too true, bro! That verse is one of my favourite verses, which shows where all our motivation and service comes from. So that we might say, "To God be the glory, great things he hath done."
Frank wrote: And they shouldn't be there! Isaiah 3:12 As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.
I guess it is one of those slippery slopes, and I doubt we'll ever see a return to Bible-based Christianity, unless these issues are sorted out and dealt with.
I have the greatest respect for women; I love them and see God's purpose for them in scripture. But it is very rare nowadays to see Christian women play their role as God intended. Indeed, one the few places you will see it firsthand is in Amish communities. I'm not commending Amish by saying that, merely observing that from what I've seen of them, there is a sharp distinction between the men and women, and both men and women play their biblical role.
In my observations of the way women are in general, in churches in the UK, I can think of very few who were behaving biblically, and not causing a problem to other church members.
But then, I would say that is true of most of the men also. We are in the midst of a great falling away, an apostasy to end all apostasies. And it behoves us to Get Back To The Bible.
Frank wrote: It was my pleasure. This was weird. My post showed up 37 minutes after I tried to post it. I know you are thinking it was OMI, but it wasn't.
Ha! You don't think it was diverted to Homeland Security or the FBI for examination before they let it through? After all, there are a lot of evangelical feminists in politics, and they are not frightened to admit it.
Frank wrote: Brother JohnUK, This is the first I have seen of this thread. In fact, I didnâ€™t even read through it so Iâ€™m not sure where the dissent started. I wish I had seen it earlier so I could have come to your aid. It is impossible to deal with evangelical feminists. It is impossible to win an argument with evangelical feminists and they take great pride in that. What I try to do is be as fair as I can and then simply ignore what they say. Tell them the truth and then leave them be. I know with certainty that you are not a misogynist as you work with women in your country and women in the Middle East. Like you, I have been accused of serving a false God and of being a misogynist. If someone goes that far, then they truly should be ignored. The only moniker I am going to address is Lurker. Many years ago I accused him of supporting evangelical feminism and apparently my fellow ember hasnâ€™t changed. 2 Timothy 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Anyway, hang in there.
Chris from England wrote: ... However, when I was in college in the 1970â€™s, I already saw some of these things developing. Now it is just much more aggressive and forceful.
It is surely an awful thing to discern the end result of a certain direction. How must the prophets have felt when giving out the word of God? Or when Jesus, coming into Jerusalem, sighed and wept when he foresaw the total destruction of the city and the carnage involved?
B. McCausland wrote: Ladies, surely affinities and likeness of trail of thought are sustained often with John on my part, yet of late, obtuse reasoning on his part has brought in incongruent thinking patterns for which commendation was not possible. No one knows what a person is going through while posting here. Some sort of sickness, in more that one way, might underline or exist. However and definitively, ladies, if one does not have an encouraging way to uplift, correct or direct, is better to hold on to one's peace, rather than to fire off to a member for whom Christ died.