Mark Winefield wrote: MacArthur has seen Los Angeles Countyâs ban on large indoor gatherings as persecution of the church and built his case on this persecution complex. Dever has stated a unique theological conviction http://tinyurl.com/y24 https b3rwp that biblical worship must be held in-person, not via video or even in multiple services.
MacAthur has refused county officials suggestions for compromises such as holding outdoor gatherings. Dever has sought to find a compromise with unbending government officials and has, in fact, been holding outdoor gatherings in nearby suburban Virginia.
MacArthurâs church is located in perpetually sunny Southern California, where outdoor gatherings are possible most Sundays of the year, yet refuses to yield to that format. Deverâs church is located in the less temperate climate of the Mid-Atlantic, yet has asked only to be allowed to have outdoor services....
excerpts from, "MacArthur and Dever a study in contrasts on COVID church precautions"
Dave Hunt wrote: .... I went on to explain that we cannot force the ungodly to live by God's standards. Nor is abortion the only or perhaps even the worst evil. Prostitutes and homosexuals destroy the lives of untold millions of young people; drug dealers, more millions than abortionists....I cannot find teaching or example in the entire Bible to indicate that Christians are to combat the world's sins except with the gospel.... .... What are we to do? We must follow Scripture. Neither Jesus nor His apostles nor the biblical early church ever engaged in social or political activism or advocated it. The Great Commission is not to go into all the world to reform its morals by forcing sinners to behave like saints, but to âpreach the gospelâ and convert sinners. And in the end, the conversion of sinners will have a far greater impact on society than all of the lobbying, protest marches and passionate appeals to morality that consume the time and energy of concerned Christians....
--- "Political/Social Activism"
QC, I didn't put up link to the video to show that I agree of everything he said, though he's correct and implying that concentrating on abortion is an amputated social program
"Dr. Joel C. Hunter was President Barack Obamaâs spiritual advisor for eight years â but then voted for Donald Trump in 2016. This time around, heâs backing Biden, having formed a group called Pro-Life Evangelicals for Biden. He speaks with Michel Martin about what changed his mind."
This is a 17 minute plus interview with the co-founder of the Pro-Life Evangelicals for Biden who had been a pastor for nearly 50 years. He has had some interesting experiences with doing this. Of course, he's more gentle spoken than his opposition usually is.
I'm not worried about having that happe,n Timothy.
Daniel Burke wrote: .... Although QAnon's conspiracy theories are baseless -- they allege that a famous actor is a secret sex trafficker and a leading Democrat participated in Satanic rituals -- the dangers the movement poses are very real. The FBI has called QAnon a domestic terror threat and an internal FBI memo warned that "fringe conspiracy theories very likely motivate some domestic extremists, wholly or in part, to commit criminal and sometimes violent activity." Facebook finally pledged to ban QAnon content earlier this month....
excerpt from, "How QAnon uses religion to lure unsuspecting Christians"
"The Evangelicals Who Are Taking On QAnon"
Warren Throckmorton wrote: .... MacArthur may have gotten this news from his attorney Jenna Ellis, who in turn may have gotten it from Gateway Pundit.
I normally would not link to Gateway Pundit since he appears to have gone full QAnon but I will in this case because I want to demonstrate how misinformation works.... [Continue reading âđ]
excerpt from, "About that Quiet CDC Report of Deaths from COVID"
WFP, I've been watching a show called the Line of Contention on our PBS network, it seems like the depicted Nazis and neo-nazis always called all their enemies socialists or Bolsheviks, what was interesting since these Nazi types were just as bad as the Communistsâđ
'When Fascism comes to America, it will come carrying a Bible and wrapped in a flag.'
I may have quoted from this source, but I don't think I quoted this material that I am quoting now? But if I didn't I really should have âđ
John MacArthur wrote: .... Jesus' earthly ministry took place right in the midst of that difficult social and political atmosphere. Many of His followers, including the Twelve, to varying degrees expected Him to free them from Rome's oppressive rule. But our Lord did not come as a political deliverer or social reformer. He never issued a call for such changes, even by peaceful means. Unlike many late twentieth-century evangelicals, Jesus did not rally supporters to some grandiose attempt to "capture the culture" for biblical morality or greater political and religious freedoms....
excerpt from, "Christians and Politics, Part 3"
By the way,
1 Corinthians 5:11-12
11. But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler--not even to eat with such a one. 12. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?
Jos. D. Harder wrote: ....The views of Gladdenâalong with those of men like Walter Rauschenbusch, Josiah Strong, and Charles Sheldonâwould eventually become known as the âSocial Gospel.â Leaders of this movement believed that Christianity ought to be a powerful force for social reform.
To Gladden, the revivalist [Billy] Sundayâs message of individual salvation from eternal damnation was simplistic, a caricature of Scriptural teaching, and when Sunday came to Columbus in 1912 for a series of revival meetings Gladden sharply criticized him and his techniques. A debate erupted in the cityâs religious press. Sundayâwho defended Christian charity and generosityânevertheless charged that leaders like Gladden were âtrying to make a religion out of social service with Jesus Christ left out.â For Sunday, the Social Gospel had too much âsocialâ and not enough âgospel.â âWeâve had enough of this godless social service nonsense,â he said. The road to the kingdom of God is not by the bathtub, or the gymnasium, or the university, but by the âblood red hand of the cross of Christ.â...
excerpt from, "Heal their Land..."
We now just have a right-wing version, of the Social Gospel âđ
Well, this article gave the rationale for various actions of the left-wing protesters, personally, I don't think the reasons were good enough for their destructive actions.
It looks like the Portland Police have to be commended on handling both the left-wing and right-wing types apparently with little bodily or no injury to themselves or the protesters. Also keeping the right-wing types out of trouble also.
This sounds like something that should be commented on that the next SBC convention, though the president of the SBC already made comments about such things, as racism in the SBC
Leonardo Blair wrote: .... Deryk D. Hayes, pastor of St. Paul Baptist Church at Shively Heights in Kentucky, said he believes Strachanâs comments about âwokenessâ makes him look like âan open and unrepentant champion of white supremacy.â
âHis most recent attack isnât against âwokenessâ as much as it is the affirmation of âwhiteness.â Among white male evangelicals like Owen, apathy and bigotry seems to be at an all-time high,â Hayes charged on Twitter Monday....
Romans 87 because the mind of the flesh is hostile towards God; for it is not subject to Godâs law, neither indeed can it be. 8 Those who are in the flesh canât please God.
Mr. Baret, We should not have laws at the majority won't support, indeed in a democracy those Laws should not be passed in the firstplace And they'll be ignored in the second placeâ
36. Jesus answered, âMy Kingdom is not of this world. If my Kingdom were of this world, then my servants would fight, that I wouldnât be delivered to the Jews. But now my Kingdom is not from here.â 37. Pilate therefore said to him, âAre you a king then?â Jesus answered, âYou say that I am a king. For this reason I have been born, and for this reason I have come into the world, that I should testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice.â
https://tinyurl.com/y576t94tÂ (Should Christians try to force the kingdom on others?)---neverâđ We are not to be a bunch of White Muslims
Delaware Attorney General Kathleen Jennings wrote: It is disturbingly clear that reproductive rights are under an unprecedented assault at both the national level and in many states, and my office has fought tirelessly to defend women's rights against those assaults,...
...I am clear-eyed that this fight goes on beyond our state's borders,...Draconian laws that unconstitutionally restrict or outright abolish abortion make us less safe, not more, and the disinformation campaigns that warp the facts and denigrate women who choose to terminate a pregnancy are shameless.
excerpt from, "Sixty-three prosecutors pledge not to criminalize abortion even if Roe v. Wade isÂ overturned"
"First even if Donald Trump wins in November 3 and the Supreme Court overturns Roe v Wade, not a great deal will change. Gallup poll after Gallup poll shows that about 75% of the American people want abortion to be legal (although, fortunately, a majority also want some restrictions). So when the individual states recover the right to write the laws on abortion, abortion will be legal for most Americans."
https://tinyurl.com/y425pm3b (We are pro-life evangelicals for Biden)