The Quiet Christian wrote: One could only hope, Brother John, but it does not appear that many repent & turn to the Lord in faith. If they won't today based on their circumstances, what makes those situations enough to make it happen? It reminds me of the parable of the rich man who died and was cast into Hell. He asked the Lord to send Lazarus to his brothers to earn them. The Lord told that man that if they didn't believe the prophets, neither would they believe one who came back from the dead. Of course, the inference was a resurrected Jesus Christ. What more does this cardinal need?
The cardinal, along with anyone else, is in need of the first thing mentioned in Romans 8:30, without which - nothing.
The Lord fill you up daily, Quiet Brother. I enjoy reading your words, born from experience and knowledge of the word.
Dr. Tim wrote: Psalms 40:2âHe brought me up also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, and established my goings. Thank God when He saved me he set my feet upon a Rock, and not upon a tightrope. I praise Him that I am âkept by the power of Godâ (I Peter 1:5), and not by the power of Tim, which is no power at all. I am so glad I âhave not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities,â a high priest eager to cast me into the lake of fire if I failâcorrection, WHEN I failâto render perfect service and obedience to Him. I am everlastingly grateful that Jesus is my ONLY SaviourâIsaiah 45:22, Isaiah 43:11 and Acts 4:12âand not merely my co-savior, with me trying vainly to hold up âmyâ end of His covenant of grace. Thank God that Jesus saves, and doesnât just help save.
Amen and Amen, doc. Blessed me greatly, that short testimony. It is also mine own experience, in every detail. Thank you bro.
DKH wrote: John, ... Furthermore James says, if we don't have those works then we have a dead faith which doesn't save anyone. Again, you may not care, but the EC believed this. This is straightforward historical Christianity.
DKH, firstly let me say that I am very glad you are sticking around a while. Salvation may be just around the corner, if God should so will it.
You are talking a lot about the EC and straightforward, historical Christianity. Can you please tell me where I differ from the EC in mine own beliefs? Thank you.
MS wrote: This âjustificationâ that DKH speaks of and obviously adheres to, smacks of the RC version which is not God imputing the righteousness of Christ, but the process through which one conforms to righteousness. Another Gospel.
It does seem that way. The evidence is stacking up.
DKH, sinful man is dead in his sins, and you imagine that Jesus registers requirements in order for that man to receive the gift of God?
You are just digging yourself into a deeper hole, and denying yourself salvation because you currently will not accept that salvation is of the Lord, and is by faith alone in Christ alone, apart from works.
Galatians 3:21-22 KJV (21)Â Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. (22)Â But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
DKH, the scripture has concluded YOU under sin. Do you not see that? Do you not see yourself as a sinner, condemned, hell bound? This is the starting point, the first step. And even this is wrought by God not you.
This is why in Luke 18, the one who prayed about all his works got nowhere and God did not hear him. But the one who asked for mercy, "God be merciful to me, a sinner," went home justified.
Check out Paul's testimony in Philippians 3 and see what he says about his works, now that he is enlightened.
DKH wrote: John, Jesus did not mention those things in those verses but he did not say that belief did not include those things. There are many other verses where Jesus and the apostles do mention those things. (Matthew 5-7, John 15, James 2).
DKH, you are trying soooo hard to avoid the teaching of Jesus Christ on justification. I've even given you a passage where he imagines two men are praying. One is talking about all his works, the other is asking God for mercy because of his sins. Only one of them was justified.
I am very hesitant to go on to talk about the good works that flow from a regenerate heart, until you can accept the fact that justification (salvation) is by faith alone in Jesus Christ alone. The NT teaches this most clearly, and I have already shown you two passages of scripture where Jesus teaches that.
The fact that you cannot accept justification as an instantaneous legal declaration by God, shows me that you are seeking to save yourself by effort. Whereas I am saying that the moment a sinner truly believes, that moment from Jesus a pardon receives.
I will expand the above paragraph if you do not understand it.
DKH wrote: John I agree with you. Jesus is God. He is also the Son of God. I believe in the Trinity. What more do I say? All the verses you quoted I agree with.
DKH, now you are being a little clearer, thank you.
So now, what do you really think about justification? Do you receive it in an instant in time? Or does it change from week to week dependent on your works? If you believe that, you are saying that salvation is dependent on what YOU do, not on what Christ Jesus has done FOR you.
Luke 18:9-14 shows that justification has nothing to do with works whatsoever. Indeed, the religious man who told God all about his law-keeping and obedience was NOT justified when he went home. Whereas the man who only sought mercy for his sins WAS justified when he went home.
Now please observe that I am speaking about justification, which is a declaration by God that a person is perfectly righteous. It is God who imputes righteousness to a believing sinner, the righteousness of Christ. Works do not come into it; that would be ridiculous, when the perfection of Christ is given to our account and received by faith.
When God justifies someone, it is instantaneous and eternal, cannot be lost.
DKH wrote: I believe 100% that Jesus is divine. Believing obedience to Christ is only a cult thing or that it is "works salvation" is completely not true. Read the Gospels. Jesus spoke over and over again about obedience to Christ. In fact, He gave a great commission to His disciples to go at teach others to obey Christ. The early Church believed they were justified by belief and faith in Christ but that its not true belief if there's no obedience. Thats fake belief.
DKH, I looked up the definition of divine and the first thing that popped out was:
"Divine": of or like God or a god
Now why would you deliberately use such a term? Why not just use scripture and have done with it. For example, if you ask me who Jesus is....
1 Timothy 3:16a KJV (16)Â And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh...
Jesus is God manifest in the flesh.
As for justification, let us stick with scripture, as that is the sole and final authority. The teaching of Jesus in Luke 18:9-14 should be clear enough. Where in the passage does Jesus say works are necessary for justification?
It makes me joyful when I see other believers finding inventive ways of getting the gospel out to the people. This is true Holy Ghost religion, Great Commission style.
I wonder if they are connected to the Christian balloon ministry, which sends balloons filled with tracts over north Korea, releasing them steadily. Eternity will show how many souls were brought to Christ by this weird and wonderful method.
Any believer can have their part in the Great Commission, and every believer ought to. But this is where the clergy/laity system has sold a pup, and prevented ordinary people from playing their role in the salvation of souls and the building of God's kingdom in the hearts of men and women and children.
DKH to Remo wrote: JW? What did I say that would make you think that? I've been promoting taking Jesus seriously. So seriously, in fact, that we should actually obey what He commanded us. And you speculate I dont think He's Divine? People go to great lengths to put me in a box.
DKH, there is nothing in your statement above which shows that you are not a member of a cult. All of the cults focus on obedience, which is called "works-salvation".
You only have yourself to blame, if people on the thread doubt you, and wonder whose side you are on.
Whatever happened to the questions I asked you, hoping to get some simple clarity regarding your beliefs? You just ignored them. Or you didn't see them, in which case I will repost them for you to answer.
Just let me know what time you will be tuning in, and I will post the questions for your perusal. They are all questions which help to answer the main questions: What is the Gospel of Jesus Christ? And, How may a sinner be justified.
I sincerely hope you are a genuine Christian. However, if not, stick around and consider what the Bible teaches about receiving eternal life as a free gift, not something to be earned over a period of time.
Watchmanremo wrote: You got it this time.. As to your breakfast, i reckon you didnt make it. We just had dinner thia red curry an ozzie dinner.đ it seems you are haveing a ozzie breckfast..Make sure you have a spiritual meal too, the best part..Have a blessed Day..bro
Breakfast was dreadful. Bacon was bland, beans bland, toast poor. I'm running out of ideas.
But yes, the spiritual food is more important, and thankfully is not genetically modified, so long as you keep to the KJV or similar.
The Lord made today, so rejoice in it all day long, and don't let the worldlings take away your joy. John 10:10
Watchmanremo wrote: Thankyou. Sorry if i didnt make it clear they dont belong to the robe side of Anglicanism but over hear they are evangelical anglican you may not of heard of them. They go under the name of Trinity church or something lkke that, alot of young foke no choir thats for sure, âș they have a bands well they would not say that. Anyway not to worry. Enjoy your breakfast.
I think I know what you mean bro. Over here, since the 60's, some Anglican churches had left their orthodoxy in favour of a mild version of charismatic, introducing a simple group of musicians comprising perhaps keyboards, acoustic guitar and drums, and singing the latest repetitive nonsense, relaxing on the formal appearance, appealing to younger people, departing from truth, and so on. Their big thing was to divide Christians into two camps: those who have, and those who have not. Have not what? The baptism with the Holy Spirit. What a big deception! Clever dicky devil made mincemeat of them.
Ah, now breakfast. I wondered why my tummy was a rumbling. Today I have a speciality: bacon medallions, baked beans, and two slices of wholemeal toast. Wow!
Watchmanremo wrote: And too you too brother John. Your Day blessed in His Grace.. I have many dilemmas in my life. Too many to expose.. I hand them over cast them to the Lord Jesus. That His Mind will truly be living in me. My wifes parents are christian and her sister is too. Her sister goes to an anglican church but not the old Anglican but as some say the Born again one evangelical...Ive been there 3 times thats enough for me not say its enough, but i find it hard to sit under it. Is this the fault with me or with them? That's the big question i say this honestly no party spirit. JUST Jesus.Peace and Grace too you brother John âBut the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach
Thank you brother, and may the Lord hearken to your prayers and answer with a good result. There is nothing that he cannot do.
As for your question, I do not have an answer. For some remote reason, certain persons seem able to sit in an Anglican service, with all its robes, walkabouts, liturgy, stand up sit down, listen to the choir, woolly sermons etc. And they love it. Mystery to me.
Watchmanremo wrote: My reference to are you Anglican,đ a cheeky remark in relation to they use of the psalms as a prayer book as they are to be only used. No extempory singing prayers and bible readings..To be consistent. I thought the saints said Psalms, hymns and spiritual song wait for it unto the Lord. You know The Lord Jesus Christ.Ding ding.
Its was Josephus not p. I was thinking.. I love the psalms a godly man once said to me if you want a be relationship with God read psalms and if you want a better relationship with man read proverbs..Morning to you John.
Good morning to you Remo, and may the Lord fill you to overflowing, that you may say, "My cup runneth over."
It's a fact that since the first psalm was written under the inspiration of God, psalms have been sung in the worship of God, and still are being used today, in keeping with NT instruction, in a variety of churches, especially since the Reformation restored this to the church.
Unfortunately, some churches have made the worship of God too highbrow, putting worship beyond the reach of the common man. The Anglicans especially are guilty of this, because although their psalm singing is most beautiful, being set in plainsong, the ordinary man cannot sing them.