Very clear and very sensible, Frank. The elect come. Those who come are the elect. It seems to me that LB is making much ado about nothing. I would like to give a quote from a book, and see if anyone can guess who the author is: âProud, deceitful hearts simply refuse to admit that salvation is all of God (Psalm 37:39), and not one whit of man. God âis the saving strength of his anointedâ (Psalm 28:8), and His omnipotent saving strength cannot and will not be supplemented by manâs puny and polluted efforts at self-redemption.â
And Iâm not particularly bothered by a Guyo-quoting brawling woman disagreeing with meâespecially one who claims I am not saved. I seem to recall that Jobâs friends made the same accusations against Job. âAcquaint now thyself with him [i.e., with the LORD] and be at peace,â Eliphaz arrogantly told Job, and the arrogant descendants of Eliphaz continue to this day. Everyone who comes to Jesus in repentance and faith for salvation receives salvation. âHim that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out .â Deal with it, kiddo.
Actually, âpasâ can be translated in quite a few different waysâone of which is âwhosoever.â Considering the hundreds of years of deep study and experience represented by the King James translators, and the fact that you probably learned everything you know about Greek from a concordance, I reckon Iâll stick with the Old Reliable. Next?
What!?!?!?!? Someone agrees with me? I guess that makes me a Calviminian. Or somethingâthe label-lovers hafta put SOME kind of label on me. How about Jesus Believer? âHim that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.â For the Greek clingers among us, Jesus âactuallyâ said âI will never, no, never cast out.â Now stick that in your pipe and smoke it, if your matches ainât wet. âA siesta! A siesta! My kingdom for a siesta!â
John, re-read what I actually said. How can anyone who is not elect come to Jesus and be saved? How can anyone who has come to Jesus and been saved not be elect? And I still say, as does the Bible, that ANYONE who comes to Jesus in repentance and faith for salvation will be saved. No amount of scripture twisting and Greek slinging will ever convince me otherwise.
Jim, I object strenuously to the extremely racist comment you posted. Why do you insist on calling black people âAfrican Americanâ while calling white people âwhiteâ? The only possibility explanation is that you are a racist, a black supremacist with a heart full of hatred. Your European-American Friend, Tim
Ladybug, if you canât understand English, how do you presume to teach the meaning of Greek? You absolutely mangle the most accurate English translation of scripture ever, and then like every good cultist you insist we must go to âthe Greek.â Horse feathers. I didnât need the Greek in order to get saved, I donât need it in order to preach the gospel, and I donât need it to understand what the Bible teaches. I have showed you what the Bible says. If you canât swallow that, I guess youâll just have to choke on it.
The passages in Ezekiel are talking about literal Israel during the literal millennial reign of Christ, Brother James. All the elect are not the Israel if God. The elect Jews are and will be. By no means am I willing to dispose of the whosoevers in the Bible until God is ready to dispose of them, and that will be neverâMatthew 24:35.Whosoever comes to Jesus and receive salvation from him
Ezekiel 36:26 applies to Israel. Yes, the REAL Israel, not the âreplacement Israelâ (there isnât one), the church. Strange that one who has so much to say about context chooses to ignore the context of Ezekiel 36:26. John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. âJesus Christ Everyone who comes to Jesus for salvation is given to Jesus by the Father. Of all those who come to Jesus for salvation, He rejects none. They ARE the elect to whom He gives everlasting life. This is so simple and obvious that anyone but a theologian could understand it. There seem to be many âauthoritiesâ on salvation. My favorite one is Jesus. I believe He knows more about the subject than any of the others. You can keep your quotes. Iâll take His quotes.
Yes, Iâve been working outside today, too, Dolores. Iâm glad you like the verse I quoted (Isaiah 53:6). Itâs one of my favorites, and easy to understand. All we humans have gone astray, and God has laid on Jesus the iniquity of all of us. Of course itâs possible to twist any scripture like a pretzel and try to make it say something other than what it clearly says. That Christ offers salvation to everyone is one of the most hated doctrines by elitist heretics. That not everyone will be saved is one of the most hated doctrines by universalists.
Dolores, I apologize for any additional age I assigned to you. I love the sweet spirit you bring to the forum. There are more than enough brawling women in the world, without having them among professing Christians as well.