Unprofitable,I am not trying to re-open it just trying to address incorrect information that was stated by "getting old". "Getting" got his facts wrong in stating " 3 women who do not attend church". Everything that needed to be say on the topic was clearly articulated and thoroughly covered.
It seems that there is no privacy any more and since "91 one" we have been conveniently under high surveillance for "our own protection"...but even the anonymous "getting older" on a now closed thread got it wrong when saying that "3 women who do not attend church" ...kept the thread going It's best to not say things when one doesn't know them to be true.Ironically, the one who was protesting the thread helped to shut it down by saying something that wasn't true which was the main objection to the topic at hand...it being against truth
God addressed holy days. Christ is the fulfillment of the feasts which GOD set in place. "christmas" is not in Scripture. Man has not the liberty to create holy days. The problem is with defining terms. We're back to subjectivity if terms are open to interpretation but the truth is that there is no holy day in the Bible that is "christmas". Going along with one is a lie. ...probably why there are always theologically incorrect naivete scenes which make use of graven images for God. One cannot accurately give the date when Jesus was born so why make up one?...using a lie to point to the Truth is futile and non-believers see through that. Why be a stumbling block? BO- the onus is on you not those whom you deem to be puffed up (you should really consider presuming hearts btw). "christmas" is not in the Bible nor does a one time event constitute a regular holy day. Ironically, those who think that they may just make up holy days (again,not civil observances,which "christmas" is not any way)are those who come across as arrogant and puffed up by setting themselves as God,deciding for themselves that which God has not revealed.
BO- CONTEXT helps when citing verses. He was telling those in Christ to let no one judge them in respect to holy days which they were no longer obligated to observe. You have it reversed with them still observing holy days. Of course, you chose to ignore where God actually commands and warrants real holy days in Leviticus 23. There may be civil days which are observed but there are absolutely no HOLY DAYS for which God makes allowance. Because God, in his wisdom left out details of the events, like DATES,by which Jesus fulfilled the real holy days and feasts,making up or going along with dates for such events created by man is adding to that which God commanded in regards to holy days. It's not a matter of just not looking RC...though we are to come out from among them and be separate, it's a matter of regarding or disregarding what SCRIPTURE says. Yes, John UK...me too and June, thank you for further resources and input...always gentle and sound.
Thank you,June for your post as well. I did read it. It is so sad that the RCs have misled so many. I pray for Roman Catholics all of the time that they would see the truth. I am so encouraged to hear of those who have come out of that. What a blessing to be able to communicate with you and hear of your testimony. Now, if only those of us who should know better would cut any and all ties with false ways, especially, for advancing the Gospel. The traditions of men die hard. Maybe it's because of emotional and family ties but loving the truth should matter more. If we stick with the Word of God, we will never lead anyone astray and will have no regrets. There may be far more people who would be more receptive to the Gospel if we didn't go along with the world or Rome during this season. That has been my experience.
Hebrews 4:12 - For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Do you say "merry christmas"? If you do, what do you mean? Do you expect a "merry christmas" parroted back to you? Another problem is that we are not to wish everybody "God speed" even in ignorance. As far as "christmas" being a holy day...and for worship...almost every evangelical church and,of course, the confused RCs celebrate it as such. "christmas" is probably one of the most important RC holy days. If one is saying "merry christmas" with the purpose of meaning "happy sending of Christ" or "birth of Christ" and they are saying this on a day which they know isn't the date of Jesus' birth, they are lying. Again, we should hear the name of Jesus as much as we have to hear "merry christmas". If people are so zealous this one time of the year to share the Gospel. Why not just share the Gospel without using a time of mass confusion for an excuse. Christians don't need RC and pagan holy days to fulfill the Great Commission. To do so is an insult to the Word. His Word is sufficient without adding to it.
God did declare all food clean but He did not change His holy days. Beyond that, how does one declare Christ was sent on a date which is highly improbable? One can and should speak of Jesus' birth in Scripture but going along with a man made holy day is adding to Scripture. Saying "merry christmas" for a particular month of the year is disingenuous...it's lying. That is a sin.
The only warrant for holy days (not civil day observance) is by God in Leviticus 23. Christ is the fulfillment of these feasts. Setting up holy days or going along with those set up by man is adding to that which God oommanded. And,obviously, if God omitted dates of events like Jesus' Incarnation, it is very arrogant to pick or going along with of man's choosing. God was very particular and gave many details in regards to the holy days which He commanded, so why would He leave it up to man to make up details of the fulfillment of these?
Homosexuality is not to blame for sexual abuse. Those who have been abused by those who are not homosexual would concur. What is to blame is the sin nature and what faux pas agree upon is insignificant when it comes to veracity.
John UK, I have appreciated your comments and zeal for the truth. I Happened to listen to Mencarow's sermon on the topic and found it to be very sound and a lot of food for thought. It's very easy to just accept the way things are done in regards to worship without really examining whether or not they line up Scripturally. We often defend things based on subjectivity. I found Greg Price's sermons on the subject to be very good as well. At any rate, your input based on the Bible has not been futile. Why we choose to follow annual dates with events of the Bible randomly and carelessly assigned to them is a poser. No rhyme or reason for the seasons. Lurker- It's a shame that the only times which loved ones seem to visit are often just during "holidays". I hope that you enjoy your visit but I certainly wouldn't support "holidays" even to that end. Sadly, many people in nursing homes and other places of confinement find themselves without visitors save for those days if they come at all. In their case, it would be better if the "loved" ones just refrained from coming at all as even the patients are keenly aware that they do it merely out of a sense of obligation.
Who can be certain, indeed?... Thank God for His Word so that we may know that which is true. It is good to stick with Scripture and not run the risk of adding to or subtracting from. Unwarranted and unauthorized dates should be avoided. Why would we celebrate something that changes from year to year (like the pagan easter) and attach Christ to it? RCs have to have these days of obligation to get their crowds and to put the people under bondage of committing a mortal sin by not attending. Pagans pretty much follow after the witches in their celebrations in ignorance or not. Why do we follow after the lost? Why do we follow after the way of the heathen and,worse than they,do it in God's name? We would be better off to be hot or cold than to do such.
To say that Jesus was born on 12/25 or to go along with that is disingenuous and is not becoming to a Christian. Even if one wants to stretch "christmas" as meaning Christ sent...which is quite a stretch for pagans or RCs, one is still perpetuating the lie of 12/25. Observing his incarnation without parroting "christmas" would be less deceitful but still wouldn't exempt Christians from making up their own rules as to how to worship God. And eating lunch is not something one uses in the worship of the Lord. One may worship while they eat but there is no relevant connection to lunch in that regard and there is no "christlunch". Days may be esteemed for worship but the actual day,itself,is not celebrated. Obviously, or what should be obvious, is that esteeming one day over another would not include "holy days" which are not in Scripture. A reformation preacher preaching a "christmas" message is irrelevant unless one finds one in Scripture doing such in the will of God not going outside the parameters of that which God commanded. ...which can't be found.
Lunch is not a man-made holy day. You are trying to compare apples with oranges. There are PRINCIPLES laid out in the Bible,however,Dr.,of how we are to worship and there is NO LIBERTY in partial truth in so doing. and "The Bible doesnâ€™t contain one verse, one sentence, one word, one letter, one jot or one tittle ABOUT "christmas" ...NO REGULAR OBSERVANCE...Saying or going along with 12/25 as the date for Jesus' birth is a LIE. The father of lies is Satan. God's children are not to lie or follow after the way of the heathen. Would you like your wife to celebrate your birthday on her ex boyfriend's or husband's?
Thank you, Unprofitable, but I don't see racism as the only issue to which Jim was commenting. My thought was that the majority of what people support or represent in this country is not a good criteria for that which is moral or upright.