My Own 2 cents wrote: The people tring to defend gymnastics, or dressing like a gymnast, are the ones poking the bear here. Another idol just got pushed over, that's all. @Not for immodesty, You probably watch gymnastics, so you have to cone up with something to ease your conscience. As a man I don't know how you couldn't get turned on watching that garbage. As Christians we should avoid it, not defend it. ‚ėļ
I hope the idol was wearing clothes. The emperor of entertainment sure isn't. Like you said and it's been said many times before, when an idol is threatened, the heathen rage.
Dr. Tim wrote: Does your Baptist church also have strobe lights, a disco ball and a fog machine? And would Pastor Steve object if I hold up my Bic lighter while Journey is performing onstage? After that I will go to Our Lady of Perpetual Bingo and make the sign of the cross, but I won't take part in any of the unscriptural parts of the service, like bowing before idols, and calling a man my father, and saying repetitive prayers, and worshipping Mary, and all that. I will only take part in the scriptural parts of the service, like, uh, wearing pants and stuff. Of course the priest won't be wearing pants, but I will. Organic.
Don't forget to fill up your water bottle with holy water on the way out. Supposed to be good for you. Try not to stand on the priests robe or he'll go flying. I did that once and he said I was going to purgatory for that. I asked him where was that? Is that a town? I never thought a priest would use that sort of language. Man!
Christopher000 wrote: Thanks Watcher, and that's it for me on this thread. I didn't plan on saying any more than I already did, but couldn't help myself, it seems. : ) Hey, here's a random thought...agree to disagree, amicably. Why in the world would this topic cause such contention between brothers and sisters? I get the topic itself, but the bitterness, insults, and low blow swipes because some view this particular example different? Seems pretty unnecessary.
Isn't that the way it goes? We're all guilty myself included. Emotions get heated, people get offended and we take cheap shots when we aren't winning the battle. It's a shame we can't be in one accord on issues like this because it does matter. Holiness, Christ being the only way to salvation, God's sovereignty...these issues are paramount in Scripture.
@ Angela: the only thing I find satanic in this thread is how people like you will argue and find reasons to excuse your desire to enjoy the world. You, as a Christian have no business watching things like this. You are supposed to be an example. Forget your age for a moment. I am talking to you as a sister in Christ. You need more discernment in your life. Can I ask you something? Is your husband saved? Just curious.
Christopher000 wrote: ...Lust is subjective as far as its causes, and who is effected by what and who, but if something can potentially cause others to sin, then, well, you get the point. I know it seems extreme to some, as far as this particular subject matter goes...a gymnast's attire, but is it really over-the-top, when were talking holiness, purity, instruction of modesty. and an Holy God who hates sin so much that it has separated us from Him? Should a Christian knowingly dress in a way that's sure to cause lustful thoughts for some, and decide it's okay, because if they cause others to sin, it's on them...that's their problem? For the record, I have never had an issue watching gymnastics, and never really considered any of this, but if others feel strongly when raising the issues of modesty and lust, they're old, unreasonable men; a bunch of jokes whose opinions and convictions are meaningless, and worthy of condescending remarks, and all because they are trying to live holy lives with holy thoughts? Over and out...
Christopher000 wrote: Bottomline: A Christian, any Christian, female or male, really has a biblical responsibility to weigh modesty against their choices in life, with modesty taking precedence, whether professionally, or casually.
Very well said brother. That's what matters isn't it? We are a living testimony. We, as Christians may be the only Jesus the world will ever see. How are we treating that?
Christopher000 wrote: Not bad, Zechariah, and Dr Tim...who cares. Probably to see if mountain folk are really as hideous, freakish, odoriferous, and unkempt as the normal people legends claim, if I were to take a guess though.
John Yurich USA wrote: There is not an organ at my Baptist Church. There is a worship band consisting of 3 guitar players, a keyboard player and a drummer along with 3 singers. I am not going to be a rock star. I will have a Country Music/Country Gospel band. My wife will not be Russian but will be either Croatian or Czech since I am half Croatian and half Czech. I can only marry a woman who is Croatian or Czech. I will have a ranch in Eastern Colorado near Ramah or Calhan. I will have some horses along with range cattle.
My Own 2 cents wrote: And don't forget at the end of my life I will be buried in an above ground mausoleum in a Catholic cemetery since only Catholic cemeteries are private therfore I will be buried in a above ground mausoleum in a private Catholic cemetery. Oh, and didn't I mention I'm not Catholic. Just ignore the Catholic cemetery thing. And did I mention that my mausoleum will be a gigantic pyramid! ?!?!
Carol wrote: The account of Dinah who went out to see the daughters of the land.Genisis 34, and how that all brought rape, death and destruction should be plenty warning for Christian parents who see nothing wrong in placing their precious children in immodest attire before the ungodly.
Angela Wittman wrote: Well, gentlemen, you've proven Rachael Denhollander's point: "Rachael Denhollander: 'Few' Victims of Sexual Assault Find 'True Help' From Church" It sounds like some will blame the victim while patting themselves on the back that they're much better parents than the abused child's parents... And the victim and the parents will leave the church weeping. I wonder how you'll explain yourselves to the Lord on Judgement Day? If I were you, I'd run to the foot of the cross and cry out for mercy and forgiveness for hurting "the least of these."
That's satanic how my Baptist pastor and my Baptist deacons and my Baptist organist all agree with my being saved. One day, I will have 8 kids, a submissive, Russian wife and a big ranch with 151 horses. I will also be a rock star that will tour with the remaining members of KISS and then you'll be talking out of the other side of your face.
Well said Frank, Christopher and JAG...it's good to have support!
It's definitely up to the parents to guide and direct a child into the right paths and behavior. I can only use my children as examples. With my daughter, we teach her to be lovely, gentle and feminine. Always honoring God through obedience and lady-likeness. There's far too many butches in this world and the tendency for girls to drift down those alleys is far too powerful.
With my boys: We teach them to be men. Strong, courageous and moral. Standing up for truth and Jesus Christ, everywhere they go. I am teaching them to be the providers, protectors, the priests and kings of their home, always serving, loving and being examples of Jesus Christ to their families (one day).
It is so very easy to allow our children to follow the world (as this woman did), and it is the parents that also should share some of the blame. If they had guided her into a more wholesome and godly direction, she wouldn't have been attacked.
Whether Angela or Lurker or whoever agrees with me or not, I base my answers and reasons on Scripture and my fruit will bear me out.
Frank wrote: She will say she was simply dressed the way other female gymnasts dressed and she had a special talent to pursue. She will then add, it wasn't her fault if those evil men lusted after her.
It never is the woman's fault is it? We all have responsibility to act in a circumspect way that is glorifying to God. There's no excuse. We as Christians are supposed to live at a higher standard than the world. Hence why our lights are supposed to be shining into the darkness. This is yet another example of a false-convert living life the way she wants to, and using her 'liberty in Christ' to do so. But of course, it seems very few people can see this. Thank God we can. I would hate to be blinded to the truth like the others. It's saddening to see.
Zechariah wrote: Correct. Believers should not be getting caught up in all the cares of this this world and being fearful about Muslims, illegal immigration, so-called school shootings, and all the other ensnaring politically-correct "news" from SA and in fear looking behind every door and under every rock for a boogeyman, then cackling about all these fears and nonsense on forums like a bunch of caged up chickens. Solution? Leave the immigration thing alone! Leave Trump alone. Leave all the mass-media propaganda alone. Don't worry. Don't fear. Ignore the State, its commandments, and what the State saith as much as possible. No land on this earth is ours. Just let it be. Be holy, be separate, be not conformed, present yourselves as a holy and living sacrifice, loving not this world, this country, or any other drop in the bucket country. The U.S. is wicked just like all the others ‚Äď always was, always will be. So cast down the idolatry, the flag worship, the D.C. worship, the murderous spirit, and all the satanic American pride like ‚Äúour borders, our troops, our country, our leaders, our freedoms etc.‚ÄĚ Live a quiet, humble life and be a witness of Jesus the Messiah.
Bang on! Focus on the Gospel and leave the details to God.