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Chris, every Christian is uncompromising, but growing in Gods grace. Some confuse legalism for uncompromising.

There's a perception that MY views are extreme. But whatever Gods truth is, God has spoken, and it's Final!
Jesus says remarriage is adultery.I want to show only from scripture.

Mt19:3 the Jews ask for what the church claims to have. V7 the Jews are asking why then Moses allowed it? You cannot be glib here of this change in direction!!
V10 The disciple who had never thought to have questioned Moses, are stunned to now hear only death breaks marriage bond.

V9 To a Jewish audience, Jesus summarizes using distinct terms allowing for betrothal, 'EXCEPT FOR FORNICATION REMARRIAGE IS ADULTERY.'

Its here that the church gets its loot, "See! He said 'except for!'"
Honestly! If you ignore the narrative!

Nowhere in scripture is the church in a confident place to receive what it has. What it has, 'God Hates!' The church causes people to stumble and sin by prescribing sin! Jesus says remarriage is adultery. The church presents itself as a bleeding heart intermediary mitigating a heartless God! Its a serious thing to change Gods word or to usurp His authority.

I will show clearly from scripture this is happening!

I want to show from scripture clearly


News Item3/5/18 3:51 AM
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Its an attack on God & his word!

Any honest examination will show that the church artificially imposes divorce on scripture, against the explicit command of God. If true, then all who participate are guilty.

If Jesus is saying that divorce is adultery, then not only is divorce a sin but those who join as a church in allowing divorce causes others to stumble and commit this sin.

There's grace and forgiveness for when we fail. But nowhere are we asked to prescribe sin and invoke grace. The church's position, and all who are party to it, are in an ongoing state of rebellion against God

Its nothing to wink at, and its not about not being a deacon.
All who out of pride in their knowledge of scripture, and a blind loyalty to the magisterium of the church along with its handed down tradition, causes others to sin, remain unrepentant!

We need to seek God honestly!


News Item3/3/18 11:08 PM
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Moses cert was to 'bonafide' the divorce.

Too many draw from inferences, allegories & 'whole counsel,' over and above explicit statements. lets allow all positions J4. But its immaterial because of Jesus' stance on divorce.

Mt 19
Jews ask, where's the line?
Jesus says, one flesh - can't be separated. (Hebrew root for divorce -hewn cut out)

Jews say, then why Moses allowed.
The focus of this question has turned from WHERE's the line, to WHY the authority to divorce.
Jesus, "Because of the hardness.. but not so from beginning."

This focus changes from Where, to WHY Moses (on Gods authority) allowed!

The Jews asked the first question pointedly- where's the line?
But the 'except for' was NOT given there. The answer there was, 'inseparable.'

The 'except for' in Mt 19 is given at the end as a summary statement after God has defined the unique oneness & inseparability of marriage, and only to cover the context of the Jewish betrothal system.

Ignoring the question answer tandem, the church gets it's divorce's demarcation line from this summary by imposing the question again. Weak!

Even so, Moses' divorce is a practice that Jesus says comes from the hardness of your heart. The church's Mt19 prescribes, as an ongoing state of practice, what grieves God!


News Item3/2/18 3:56 AM
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During the time of Jesus, there were two prevailing and competing rabbinical thoughts on divorce, a byproduct of the Mosaic law. One very liberal, the other restricting only to adultery.

Mt 19:
7And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
7They say unto him, WHY DID MOSES THEN COMMAND TO GIVE A WRITING OF DIVORCEMENT, and to put her away?

ODD!
Mt 19:6 The Pharisees start this by asking, "Is it lawful to divorce on ANY GROUNDS?"

Did they just mishear Jesus? They're now asking why then Moses allow divorce.

Now, endless sermons are built around this aha moment, that the Pharisees said Moses COMMANDED when it should have been 'PERMITTED'. That that's what this exchange is about.
NO! It was a command! It was for the CERTIFICATE! Moses didn't COMMAND divorce! Ludicrous to charge Pharisees with!

Still! Odd!
These pastors build around what they interpret Jesus said. If they're right that Jesus allowed !divorce, the Pharisees heard it wrong!


News Item3/1/18 9:02 PM
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'till death do us part' - NO DIVORCE!

There is nothing coincidental about that encounter with the woman at the well, by the way. And Jesus isn't addressing divorce here.

But on divorce, whatever the Samaritan cultural standards, Mosaic Law permitted it. When the Jews refer back to that, Jesus instead goes all the way back to the creation order, 'From the beginning it was not so.' God sees marriage as 'one flesh,' therefore what God has joined, let not man put asunder'

Look at the language in Mk10. 'One flesh' cannot be separated, what God has joined.

Of the Mosaic divorce, Jesus says it was 'because of the hardness of your heart,' but 'from the beginning it was not so'!

Wait! This is Gods clear! explicit! injunction! NOT to do something because it 'comes from the hardness of your heart'!! No confusion, God clearly stating it!

Despite that, yet this so completely sails over the heads of the consensus of pastors coming out of seminaries, and they see in 'hardness of your heart' an authorization TO GO AHEAD AND DO.
Explain this mind numbing DISCONNECT!!!

Go ahead and listen to some of the sermons!


News Item2/28/18 9:51 PM
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Lets examine the biblical evidence first, starting where you are in Mt 19.

Mt was written to the Jews whose custom allowed for a betrothal period. Unfaithfulness here would be fornication, not adultery Mt1:19.(Gentiles did not have betrothal so "exception" only spoken of here & in any no other place.)

Jesus uses two distinct terms for adultery and fornication in the same sentence MT19:9, it's in the greek.

ALL!! sexual unfaithfulness (incestuous too,) in marriage is ADULTERY but modern translations cant say 'except for adultery divorce is adultery,' so they cover it with 'except for sexual immorality.'

Outside of death/betrothal above, Once married - NO DIVORCE/REMARRIAGE! Can remain separated only.

Mt19:10 Disciples stunned. 'If the case be so,it is not good to marry'

11 Jesus says, 'All men cannot receive this, save to whom it is given.
12 For there are some eunuchs,.. some which were born,.. which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom. He that is able to receive it, let him.

Christian response is, well Jesus was saying you cant divorce for burnt toast, only for 'sexual sins'. That's what shell-shocked the disciples. Something not enough to shock even a godless heathen that at least holds to an ideal, if not in practice, that if you fool around y


News Item2/27/18 10:15 PM
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John for JESUS wrote:
CV...
Do you mean on divorce? I can think of better verses that underpin the church's position on marriage.
Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.
Genesis 2:24
No, the "One flesh" does NOT underpin the church's position. Along with 'how much God hates divorce and how much the church hates divorce,' it makes for great bible thumping sermons

Most here invoke God & the bible "against" divorce, but are clueless why! They just like the sound of it, as do those who preach it.

The church's marriage stance stands or falls on the exception clause. A tampered clause with a highly messed up interpretation that leaves preachers absurdly contradictory as they froth at the mouth and chomp at the bit to let you know that, in no uncertain terms that, they are 'absolutely against divorce and advise against it....., except when they're for it.'
WELL THEN THEY'RE FOR IT!!!

J4, I doubt if any here can clearly articulate the "exception." We have NO biblical marriage

As guardians of this non-marriage, we fling at nobilities, celebrities and the gay hordes who are far off and easy targets. They can't have our non-marriages.
We're against divorce ....well, when


News Item2/27/18 8:16 AM
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John for JESUS wrote:
“except for sexual immorality”
Matthew 19:9‭
This is the rubric that underpins the entirety of the churches position on marriage. And the vanguard of their conservative values.

News Item2/26/18 1:05 PM
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John UK wrote:
This will always be a problem so long as there are "fellowships of churches" with rules. The only biblical pattern (if there are no apostles today, and there aren't) is independency and autonomy.
Agree John

News Item2/26/18 12:35 PM
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Adriel wrote:
Considering the House of Windsor Has already experienced the Divorce of the next King, Prince Charles, and his brother Prince Andrew's divorce, and Princess Anne his sister's divorce; - There cannot really be much expectation of controversy over Harry and Meghan.
As for Justin Welby and the Liberal Church of England they never allow the Bible to get in the way of a good knees up.
Are you against divorce?

News Item2/24/18 2:38 AM
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Dylan wrote:
Pastor Kevan Swanson and Dr Albert Mohler, some of the men I listen to and agree with think that Billy Graham was theologicly lacking but no doubt real, true follower of Christ.
Mohler is an ecumenist, and don’t know Swanson but he seems to be in the same boat. Like Rome Mohler thinks God can use a helping hand.

Unless you’ve been warned, or you’ve studied the Jehovas Witnesses extensively, you will not get from any single service or tract any inkling of any wrong turns. If you listen to Armenianists, charismatics, paedos, 7th day adventists, Roman Cath’s, you will come away edified and feeling good about God.

This is the tragedy of it, that if you think they’re not Christians, in the next day’s message they’re nice and are, ... no, yae, no ..,

The verbiage is all biblical. The Arminiust will tell you, it IS!!! all grace alone and all Christ alone - that man decides.

But no matter still, if you think they’re not, they are. It’s no, yes, ..

Mohler’s message will leave you breathless, the kind to manipulate Christian growth with, like B.G’s.

BG was, was not..

This is the area where the mass of humanity jumps on and off Christianity. Where B.G resided.


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Thanks Jim!

I didn't know Pence much. But thanks to your postings, my admiration of this Godly man has grown.

I praise God for him. I pray that God will keep his hand of protection upon the VP and his family. I pray that God will bless them mightily and keep them strong in their testimony of Him!

Thank you again, Jim!


News Item2/18/18 4:19 AM
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What a refreshing change VP Pence is. The first I saw of him was on TV during his Israel tour.

Not big into politics, but I do know that anyone with a genuine profession of a Christian faith in that arena is going to face relentless attacks.

Its good to know that we have a VP and a President that turns to God for guidance and strength.


News Item5/20/14 2:31 AM
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Treading water are you? Regurgitating what's already been answered? Just keep referring back to my last post.

The basis of your arguement so far has been:

The GC was only for the desciples because -
Only they were there

-But it's also an example for us, ...

-But then again it can't be for us, cause we'd have to wait & start in Jerusalem. (I kid you not).

Paul's included in the GC
Paul's not

Under Jesus leadership, the desciples WB'd.
-But Jesus didn't say anything. So He spoke agaist it!

The Desciples did both, water & Spirit baptism.
-Because the desciples did SPIRIT baptism, it's proof that it was under Gods authority.
The desciples did WB. Just because they did, is not proof in favor of it.

There's no instruction for either water or Spirit
- there no instruction for water

In ACTS 10/11 Peter water baptises, then harbours a secret regret which only J4 can decipher using Joseph Smith magic glasses.

J4
Don't you love it when your deception is unmasked? We haven't got to the best yet.
Basically, anytime you have J4 cornered, he switches sides. He blows out of both sides of the arguement on every issue.

What J4 does is, after something has been dealt with clearly, J4 will repost it as if it has never been heard before. A J4 Special.


News Item5/19/14 2:04 AM
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John for JESUS wrote:
1 Apostles were baptizing proselytes.
maybe you can answer why only Gentiles were baptized?

2 Yet somehow Peter lays hands
By what authority did he do that?

3 We both know from scripture that Jesus didn't teach a command to baptize in water

4 So when He tells His disciples to go and baptize, how were they supposed to do that? Not with water!

5)There are examples of them doing it with the Holy Spirit, so why won't you accept it?

1 This is YOUR hairbrain theory to explain your wacky theology. It's NOT biblical.

2 The existence of Spirit baptism is not at issue nor is it a proof against water.
We were on ACTS 10/11 where Peter baptises with water. You left that to quote Spirit baptism. They did both under the one authority

You've chosen to accept one and dismiss the other. For that, you alone claim that authority.
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The apostles laid hands under Gods authority. The junk YOU attach is NOT part of that authority. Asking for a yes here does not give you a free pass to piggyback your junk.

Points 3,4,5
Not that ANY of your posts have a point.
The apostles water baptised. Why don't you accept that?

What was it about baptism in the GC that was only for the apostles. Did Paul have same authority & pwr


News Item5/17/14 6:32 PM
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John/UK ACTS 19 is not conclusive on WATER. That Paul laid hands, it tells us.

We don't discount water baptism, nor the laying on of hands by the apostles.
The resident evil here tries to steer the arguement to be one agaist the other. That way he gives the appearance of having equal biblical defence just by presenting the existence of the other. You present water. He presents Spirit. Did the apostles baptise by laying hand? See, you were arguing agaist Spirit baptism all along. Now he can add His spin.

It's revolting for someone so twisted to quote scripture.

Where there are clear conclusive proof of water baptism by the apostles, J4 dismisses the apostles as dumb & he is right.

In ACTS 10 &11
God via a vision sends Peter to preach at a Gentiles house. Peter preaches, they recieve the Holy Spirit. Peter water baptises.

What baptism is Peter telling us the GC means? Water. Did Peter think there was command to lay hands? NO!
But Dodo says God repeatedly breaks His own command of laying hands by circumventing around himself

ACTS 11:16 is God authenticating the message going out to the Gentiles.

Against such an obvious simple reading of the nerrative, this time J4 has Peter put out a 'J4 hidden cryptic message'.
How does J4 know? He says he thinks. Scary!


News Item5/15/14 7:17 PM
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John for JESUS wrote:
5)No, you can look it up. No Gentiles were baptized in water after Acts 11.
6) I was think more along the lines of, "Then I remembered..."
"Then I remembered..."
Peter remembers Jesus' promise of the Holy Spirit

You want him to remember that he was not to baptise with water.

That's why when you offered in the past to quote scripture, I didn't bother. Because you wouldn't have understood what the bible was saying anyways.

' Preaching is not baptising'

Has it occured to you that the baptism that happens here is not through laying of hands but through preaching?
Neither did it occur to Peter that YOUR Great Commission command was for the apostles to baptise with the Holy Spirit.


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John for JESUS wrote:
1) I only recall questioning whether it could be considered

But ..it is not a direct act, as you say.

"only recall questioning whether it could be considered?"

how long have I asked you a direct question?
So FINALLY, laying of hands is the ONLY direct act to the direct command to baptize in the GC!
SEESH!!!

Your Points 1,2,3 could have been cleared a long time ago. Slither/wafle/wafle

Your Point 4
Don't let me hand you yours in a platter agian, if you wanna wafle on that, then just do it.

Your #5
You're kidding!
Your kooky theology stands/falls on YOUR ANALYSIS of "tenses/grammer etc" of of a translated bible.
You can't see that v17 starts with "SO IF"?
Here, PETER's TELLING YOU what the preceding statement meant to him.

And your twisted way is over and above Peters? Give it up!

Here's ACTS 11:16-17
16 Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with[a] water, but you will be baptized with[b] the Holy Spirit.’
17 SO IF God gave them the same gift he gave us who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could stand in God’s way?”

Your responses are always a garbled mess. But we're stuck between answereing or going on.
We'll check out your Corinthians messup.


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You can wave someone's wallet in their face yet at the same time deny taking it?

Ok dodo I got it.
You say 'laying of hands' and 'preaching' are your distinct direct acts by which the command to baptise is obeyed.

But I also get that "preaching is NOT baptising". And baptism is out of anyones hands.

Except to obey the great commission, preaching is baptising.

We'll let you go in circles. Like a snake eating it's tail

lets bring out into the open more of your hairbrain thinking.

Earlier, you said Jesus spoke of water baptism in the past tense. And Peter in Acts 11:16 remembers that and comes to the realization that water baptism was done away with.

Did it occur to you that if Peter was enlightened your way, right after he goes on and WATER BAPTISES???

ACTS 10
"44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard
Then Peter said, 47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water"

You also said that Jesus was NOT anointed with the Holy Spirit. That the "dove" was for John the Baptist to recocnize Jesus.

ACTS 10:38
"how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him."


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Right J4 you say
'Preaching IS NOT baptising'
'Baptism OCCURES' through preaching

Now, what you tried to pass off before, which took many posts going in circles is -

That along with 'laying of hands', 'preaching' can also be considered a distinct act by which how the command to baptise is obeyed?

You are so pathetically dishonest.

Laying of hands is the only direct act to a direct command you can consider.

Baptism that OCCURES through preaching is OUT OF ANYBODYS HANDS.

Absolutely pathetically dishonest. If you can't find an honest way you fudge it. What you believe is make belief, that's why

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