Chrisgp from England wrote:
...If you see anything with Build Back Better, or the Great Reset, be aware ...

However the valid *great reset* would be to go back to biblical basics, which means a society where men are in charge of their own families, local enterprise is conducted without state intervention and productivity is rid of molesting interferences.

See the biblical blue print:

"Rid me, and deliver me from the hand of strange children,
whose mouth speaks vanity,
and their right hand is a right hand of falsehood:

That our sons may be as plants grown up in their youth;
that our daughters may be as corner stones,
polished after the similitude of a palace:

That our garners may be full, affording all manner of store:
that our sheep may bring forth thousands and ten thousands in our streets:

That our oxen may be strong to labour;
that there be no breaking in, nor going out;
that there be no complaining in our streets."

"Happy is that people, that is in such a case:
yea, happy is that people, whose God is the LORD."

Chrisgp from England wrote:
... This is the back door route to mandatory vaccinations for all without actually passing a law to make it mandatory, but making life very restricted for those who do not take the vaccine. This is the most drastic invasion on liberty that there has been in Britain since the war.

How ironic that they call the certificates “freedom passes.” It’s a perfect example of 1984-esque Newspeak that seeks to depict the concept as the complete opposite of what it really is. Because if you need a government-issued document to do things as basic as visiting family and walking around without a mask, that isn’t freedom. It’s the epitome of tyranny.

And there’s no doubt that they will eventually try to tie the pass to vaccines, as the global elites continue to say that mass vaccination is necessary for a return to normalcy."

You are making two biblical instances precepts, say the rich man's encounter with Christ and what happened at Pentecost.

This is what charismatics do with the tongues at Pentecost in order to justify their type of 'tongues' for today. They treat one off instance, the speaking of tongues, and they convert it into doctrine as to be a precept or the norm of practice for evermore, which is not more than treating the opening of the red sea as a norm for all the Christian church for ever.
(We do not expect the seas to open up at our feet dry when travelling because of that unique instance!)

The holy Spirit did not lead the church into communism at Pentecost. Proof of that is how we read later in the epistles the teaching of Paul exhorting people into enterprise, and not to be lazy but work with their own hands and have enough to distribute to others. This is capitalism.

Capitalism is a system of economics in agreement with God's initial plan for man.
Communism is a man made ideology that externally seems to be Christian because it seems to resemble some Christian traits, but in the core, it contradicts biblical teaching.

You call your wrong interpretation of the passage *the teaching of Christ* for every one, which is not.

Christ's particular dealing with one individual cannot be taken as a norm or as an established precept.

The wrong interpretation of that particular verse is what you are calling *the teaching of Christ*. ?!?!?!?

John Lee wrote:
You say, "Well if everyone obeyed the teaching of Christ, eventually everyone would become poor and society would collapse."
You really think you can justify that argument? Hmmmm?

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John, sorry to say it bluntly, but your view is lopsided.
The passage you bring about deals with testing one's personal faith and commitment, it is not a precept to be followed as a norm for everybody, besides, if that was the way to interpret it, it would contradict other Scriptures .

It is as the passage saying that if a man does love mother and father more than Christ, he is not worthy of him.
Which passage does not hint that we all better do hate mother and father to make sure we are worthy. This is the way you are getting your sola scriptura out of joint to herald your point.

If all sold everything and gave to meet needs of others you create a number of problems:
1. Depleted capital creates a vacuum causing a society to cave in having to build from scratch.
2. Depraved human state not knowing how to handle personally not earned responsibilities derails into chaos due to lack of basic skills and selfish tendencies.
3. When all the wealth is used up, how do you feed the new chickens to keep people alive? Who would have the means to get a plough to till the land?

We could go on and on.
Please rethink all the material presented.

Frank gives you the balance in his comment. Yes, we live by faith and work trusting God to order and provide, but the simple man believes everything. This means he puts at times his head under the sand and tries to ignore what goes on, or simply holds unto one end of the stick because it is easier that way to iron out the tricky bits, than to face the whole picture.

"In understanding, be men" says the script, not 'simple spirits'. This means to be balanced, giving to each its due, Caesar or/and God.

That the church is failed there is no question, but the reason for that is that she has embranced the wrong end of politics, while all the while swallowing up into welfare statism by mistake.

Take care

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But our welfare system has created another sense to the word, which is the 'belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment' in spite of merit, contribution or ownership, just because one lives in the country and the state owes us all.

The Quiet Christian wrote:
Marxist, .... seek to do this thru government action, ... In doing so, they also cut off a key aspect ... sharing the Gospel and disiciple making ... from the relief process. Too often, that relief becomes a means of sustaining behavior that is not God honoring.

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John, you create rabbit trails. The last example you bring is as from one totally submerged in socialism believing in governement entitlement.

Due to that even God's elect are destitute of faith. So few know what is to trust God anymore, and worse few sense the need to personally get involved helping others

John Lee wrote:
Biblical capitalism involves re-distribution of wealth.
Note,
Galatians 2:10 KJV
(10)  Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.

Yes, good verse about Paul's philanthropy above.

True charity engages with the poor, the needy, the orphan, the widow and those falling unwantingly on tragic happenings or circumstances.

John Lee wrote:
Sister B, I believe Paul is the ultimate example of correct living and a correct attitude towards money. He served the Lord not money. So when he set up a business making tents by hand, he had no intention of making vast amounts of money and becoming what some call 'filthy rich'. Rather he sold some tents, he bought some food; he sold some tents, he renewed his clothes; he sold some tents, he rented a house. And so on. And some weeks he was abased, and some weeks he prospered.

"Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;

That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate"
1 Tim 6

Neil wrote:
A list of Masons doesn't prove the assertion. That some of the Founders were members doesn't logically imply their beliefs were wholly derived from it. Besides, many were also church members, like Washington. Why not give that at least as much credit?

With all the exceptions, deceptions or deviations, at large the fabric of American ethics, beliefs and principles till the 19th century was deeply rooted in the Protestant Reformation.

All the delusions about masonay founders, etc, though to some extent true, does not change that.

John Lee wrote:
a. Sure, and there are plenty of biblical examples of this. But there will always be the last one, and after that, the end. I believe we may be nearing that situation.
b. In Wales, there are many people trying to make a living from hand to mouth. If you wish, you may call that capitalism. And when they go bankrupt because the guv shuts their business down or closes their shop, it is financial ruin.