I would not going as far to say all catholics are not christians. There have been and are many catholics that truly love the Lord. I know there theology is messed up. But they do believe that jesus is Lord. For example i truly believe Mother Teresa was saved and she was a devout catholic.
The wife of one of my reformed christian friends is divorcing him.
She was married before but this is his first time.
Since American law/culture/society is presently geared toward easy divorce, my friend has little recourse but to "let her go" and claim the popular reformed escape-clause of "desertion", rather than fight to try and save his marriage. It's an easy out for him, her, and current American culture (and, apparently, modern reformed theology!).
I guess my point here is to Walt, Seaton, and my other fellow reformers is: Try not to spend all your time in scripture, WCF, etc. Don't foret to take a look at what's going on in the world around you--for this is where you see scripture--and the lack thereof--applied.
I really think Abigail, Yamil, and similarly aligned folk are onto something that YOU people are NOT, regarding this whole "divorce" issue.
I also notice that I have a hard time speaking against divorce as it becomes more popular--like homosexuality, which is much more popular than when I was a kid, and was then much easier to speak against.
Keep reading the Bible, but THINK about it, too. Please...and make sure you're not just following other learned theologeons. Think and pray about these issues yourselves.
Dessie wrote: I wonder if anyone will take an umbrella to the prayer meeting??? It seems obvious that God is in CONTROL and judgement is beginning. Our country is in a MESS.
Years ago I heard an anecdotal account of evangelist Charles Grandison Finnie bringing an umbrella to a prayer meeting where the assembly was praying/appealing to God for rain.
According to the same account, Finnie later chided the assembly for their lack of faith, as he was the only one who stayed dry during the rain storm that soon followed his and the assembly's fervent prayer for rain.
As a beliver of the reformed persuasion I'm no fan of Finnie by any means, but the story is still interesting...and Dessie's remark reminded me of it.
I'd heard of Crighton and his book, and where he stands; but I didn't realize he was originally convinced of global warming, only to reverse his stance after carefully studying the issue. If only more people would do this!
No wonder Al Gore blasted him (Crichton) during one of the many speaches he gave to global-warming acolytes a few months back.
To Gore, Crighton is not just the enemy, but a traitor as well.
Sadly, this guy and his testimony also will just be shoved aside by our present overwhelmingly powerful environmental interests, here in the USA.
It's amazing how much clout the environmentalists have--especially here in California.
We in California have world-class agriculure--especially wines.
We have world-class media production resources (Hollywood, etc.).
We have a rich history of developement starting with the gold rush of 1849 and culminating with Silicon Valley, Aerospace, Biotech, etc.
And yet not a single one of these great achievements was represented on our state quarter (each of the 50 U.S. states was recently commemorated on the reverse of our George Washington quarter-dollar coin with images pertaining to that state's identity).
Just what was on our California state quarter?
A full-length portrait of John Muir (first president and founder of the Sierra Club--oldest and most respected environmental organization) framed by an image of Yosemite National park with a California Condor flying overhead.
All three are images of conservation and environmentalism!
"A pastor who refused to work with a female minister because of his biblical convictions has been charged with criminal discrimination by a Finnish court."
So proceeds the age-old confilct between earthly kingdoms and the heavenly kingdom. As the former becomes apostate at a greater rate than the latter, things will invariably get ugly, as Pastor Hereford points out in his post.
So far, my own denomination (OPC) is still Biblically male-led, but if this were to change, as it has in the RCA and so many other denominations, I'll likely "flee to the mountains"--and form my own local fellowship of like- minded but, more importantly, BIBLICAL believers.
Sue Sue wrote: We did not have TV as children; we just played outside until dark... It would be kind of dangerous to let our childen and grandchilden do that in our present day... As far as TV, my son did his homework while watching and is now a medical doctor. Something to think about.
My sister did the same thing. She was valedictorian of her 1974 class of over 400 fellow students, and eventually became a doctor, graduating from Stanford and U.C. Irvine, CA...and she did it by doing her highschool homework while watching TV.
She has thisn amazing ability to focus on one stream of information while completely tuning out another in rapid succession, which sometimes makes it hard to talk with her, but enabled her to enjoy both 70's TV (which was much cleaner then) and do well in school at the same time.
My only real direct experience with divorce was having to deal with those women in my Christian dating club who had been married before.
After MUCH prayer and meditation (I say "MUCH" because there were many very desirable divorcees in that club, some of whom were even interested in me), I concluded that I could NEVER date a divorcee for fear that I might be obstructing a potential reconciliation-- even after divorce--and I did NOT want to get in God's way if he were planning that my date would eventually reunite with her ex.
Maybe I was wrong, but at the time, my conscience would not allow me to persue a divorced woman, regardless of how desirable she was.
Wish I had more time to read the testimonies of those of you who've experienced divorce and remarriage.
With no divorces in my imediate family I must admit to having lived a "sheltered life" regarding this issue. God's grace.
A few years ago, I lost an argument with my previous landlords over this issue. They beat me to death with 1 Cor 7, Matt 19, and similar passages; but later ended up quickly divorcing each other a few months later.
Rather than try to save their marriage and fight to make it work, these people QUICKLY excersized their perceived Biblical authority to dissolve their relationship and simply moved on with their lives.
Don't know if they've remarried yet, as they claim that "liberty" as well, but what kind of a Christian testimony is that?
I'm even willing to concede that Walt, Seaton, and others are more right than I am on this issue; but what disgusts me is when these perceived marriage-escape-clauses found in the Bible are treated like a "get out of jail (marriage) free" card by so many who call themselves Christians but tend to act no different from the rest of the world.
Just last night I saw a horrendously troubling doccumentary on The History Channel which detailed the origins and developement of prison gangs from the 1960s until today.
What REALLY struck me was not the unbelievably incredible wickedness and ruthlessness of these groups but rather the fact that, considering the original crimes committed by the vast majority of these people prior to their incarcerations (including murder, rape, and kidnapping), most of them would not even be ALIVE today were it not for our increasingly lenient justice system and it's growing reluctance to excersize the death penalty when it is clearly called for.
As with the war on terror, I see our culture increasingly beating itself to death over process issues (what is and is not proper when killing or "torturing") to the point that any favorable outcome will be jeapardized.
Yamil's posts usually annoy me with their Arminian overtones, but on this thread he is my HERO because he vigorously preaches against the 90% of my fellow reformers who still think divorce is OK under certain so-called "Biblical" circumstances.
I'll bet Yamil is also a literal 7-day creationist like myself, which also seems to be getting more scarce in the increasingly "high-brow" reformed circles I tend to frequent in my worship.
If it gets any worse I may start to attend Arminian churches again...just so I can get a little closer to Gospel truth!
Peter's encounter with Cornelius the Centurion--and God, Himself, in the book of Acts pretty much opened the door for all of us to enjoy those wonderful honey-baked hams on Christmas and other holidays.
Those poor, legalistic muslims have no idea what they are missing!
When people die, they either go to be with Christ or they are locked away, waiting for judgement on the last day.
Therefore, there are no such things as ghosts.
Movies like "The Sixth Sense", which I saw while flipping channels a year ago are particularly insidious, in that they purport to comfort those who've lost loved ones by actually ENCOURAGING them to welcome contact with spirits that they presume to be those of dead relatives or ancestors.
At best these "contacts" are merely the product of the seeker's imagination, and at worst they are demonic impersonations of that which the seeker desires.
I'm not a parent but I can see that it is becoming increasingly difficult to be one so long as the traditional parental authority of parents to train their children to be righteous is underminded by the increasing amount of meddeling by states and institutions.
I'd actually be much more interested in knowing what the LEAST popular verses in the Bible are, and why people feel the way they do about them.
In the Bible study at my workplace, I can't tell where my fellow attendees are spiritually when we read and study "popular" Bible passages, since everyones response is pretty much the same,but when we encounter verses that deal with God's wrath and man's depravity THEN you get to see where people stand by how they respond to these often unpleasant passages.