There is safety there because he said "For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven." Ps 119:89

There is no safety in modifying the word of God!

He says

Ga 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise (The Holy Ghost) by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God

Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Believing comes before life and is the second cause of it.

We were told in those passages that Romans has a theme, the gospel of God. I pointed it out and suggested that a capsule definition of it was given in Ro 16:25,26. The gospel of God is the good news that the gentiles are accepted by God on the same terms as the Jews, that is by believing in Jesus Christ and the two will be made one body, the body of Christ which is referred to in Rom as the "mystery, which was kept secret since the world began," but is revealed in Ephesians with a particular name, "the mystery of Christ", the theme of that epistle.

Ro 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

You are right if you said it was for the purpose that his son might be the firstborn among MANY brethren.

The key thought here is MANY! God had said of the Jews, who were the first recipients of the gospel. It says so right here in this chapter. Ro 8:23 And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.

He had said about the Jews.

Mt 22:14 For many are called, but few [are] chosen.

No space here to do it but one should persue the remnant of Israel doctrine now.

Because of their failure to believe, God opened his pre-planned door of faith to the gentiles.

Eph 2:12 That at that time ye (gentiles) were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 BUT NOW in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Ro 16:25 NOW to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, 26 BUT NOW (The mystery) is made manifest, and BY THE SCRIPTURES of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the OBEDIENCE OF FAITH:

Read the next verse!
Moreover whom HE DID PREDESTINATE, THEM HE ALSO CALLED: AND WHOM HE CALLED, THEM HE ALSO JUSTIFIED: and WHOM HE JUSTIFIED, them HE ALSO GLORIFIED (Rom 8:30)

You still did not answer my question.

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One must at least consider the theme of the epistles and try to interpret the statements within that theme. The two epistles that deal with the subject of predestination are Romans, the theme of which is the gospel of God. Ro 1:1, 2:16, 15:16, 16:25 and the epistle to the Ephesians, the theme of which is the "mystery" of Christ, Ep 1:9; 3:3,4,9; 5:32; 6:19.

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This is perplexing. Why would you take this as an insult? Lone wolf. That is what you call yourself. I did not name you.

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It does not matter whether you think it is easy believism or not. The fact is that God says he saves them that believe. I will leave the judging of whether they believe up to God. That part is above my pay grade. Your friends, OTOH, has said you do not have faith. I believe you.

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Some on here believe(maybe you too)that FOREKNOW means God knew beforehand which sinners would believe and on the basis of this knowledge He predestined them unto salvation.

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Predestination has nothing to do with salvation from sin, it has to do with the "destination" of the saved, more particularly, the church of Jesus Christ. It has been predestinated to "glory". Read the text. I am amazed at men as intelligent as some of you cannot read spiritual truth.

Lu 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
Ac 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
Ac 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

There is no need to doubt that the promise is the Holy Ghost.

Just is case there is any doubt, read.

Ga 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. (Not to faith)

Just in case there is any doubt!

Ga 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Eph 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: (This agrees with Ep 1:13)

None of you men have a biblical confirmation that you personally are members of the elect and that God loves you and hates your neighbor. You say you are one of his elect because of your personal experience. You say sola scriptura and then point to your own righteousness without the Scriptures.

No one knows who the elect are, you say. You have no faith with which to believe, you say.
Calvinistic theology defines who the elect are, you say. You are dead in your trespasses and sins and cannot respond to God, you say. God must save you so you can believe, you say. Salvation is therefore not by faith but by regeneration unto faith, you say. (You must be saved so you can believe).

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Did he say they trusted "after" they heard the word of truth?

Did he say that believing the gospel, the word of truth was the means to salvation?

Did he say they received the Spirit "after" they believed?

Did the omniscient God anticipate the error of calvinism and write such a clear and concise rebuke of it in a single verse?

There are far too many so called ordained ministers out there fleecing their flocks saying "Thus saith the Lord..." when He never spoke.

Your concepts of God and his person and work are terribly flawed, friend. You assume that love is not real unless there is a positive response from those to whom your love is directed. Where did you ever get this kind of notion?
Another flaw you have presented is that God saves on the basis of love and that is not so. He saves on the basis of righteousness that he himself provides through the blood of his son, Jesus Christ. It is God's business to love and it is Christ's business to live a sinless lfe and die for the penalty of the sins of the whole world. If you deny that then you will have an eternity in the Lake of Fire to contemplate your error. It is our business to consider the sorry estate of unrighteousness that we are in and the consequences of our deeds and believe God when he invites whosoever will to be saved.

Other people seem to mention that Grace is the free gift of God. Is there a verse that clearly states this?
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No! Grace is an attribute of God that is showcased in this present age. It is the operative principle of God, coupled with mercy and motivated by God's love for the world and his desire to save us, which IS his free gift. Ep 2:8.

Oh my!

The fact that God loves the world does not nullify his other perfect characteristics. He says in Ps 139:22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies. You should try hating with perfect hatred. I doubt you will get far.

God is a God of justice and this attribute does not void his character of love and mercy and grace. De 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me, He responds in his judgment to the DEEDS of those who hate him. Unrighteousness is defined by deeds. Hatred is defined by action. Love is defined by deeds. "For God so loved the world that he sent".
However, none of the OT economies were governed by the operative principle of grace and so therefore you all must go back to OT Scripture and events to prove God's hatred.

The church is filled with professing Christians and there may be tares among them that include false professors, hypocrites and unsaved sinners
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Contender,
How do we know you are not one of those tares? How do you know you are not? God does not love sinners, you say but if you ask the Mormons, JW's, Arminians, et al, they will say God loves them and they are God's chosen and they don't believe anything you do hardly. Most of them have never even heard the words, antinomian, pelagian, simi-palagian, and a host of other words that are designed to make you look intelligent and boost your pride.

Do you have a promise from God's word that you are for sure one of the elect that God just happens to love? If you don't you may not be elect. No, if you don't, you probably are not elect at all.
The deception is very great!

Ro 5:15 But not as the offence, so also [is] the free gift. For if through the offence of one (That would be Adam) many be dead (many in this case is all), much more the grace of God, and the gift (The gift is the Holy Spirit who is life) by grace, [which is] by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many (The many in this case is all).

Ro 5:19 For as by one man’s disobedience many (The many in this case is all) were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many (The many in this case are the ones who receive the gift) be made righteous.

21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord

V 21 says nothing about a man keeping himself righteous. It says grace rules now through righteousness (of Christ).

Here is the case of the believer with the gift of the Spirit:

I think I agree with you. There is a purpose of the law even today in this age of grace.

Our pastor preached a message on the subject a couple weeks ago that I think is good and helpful. You might take a listen.

I am sorry you don't have a bible that you can believe but the fact that you don't is adding terrible confusion to your understanding.

God is dealing with salvation and it's character in Romans. He is doing it in the context of a courtroom scene with God himself the holy and righteous judge of all the earth and he is judging by his standard, which is righteousness as it is expressed in his law. In his court he has found all of us guilty and has passed sentence on us. However, because he is not only a just judge he is also a loving, gracious, and merciful judge and so he himself has provided a means by which we can be pardoned WITHOUT VIOLATING HIS RIGHTEOUS CHARACTER. He would pay the penalty of our sins himself and then offer pardon to all who would just receive it. (and whosoever will let him take of the water of life freely).

No, it's not unreasonable as long as you are willing to reciprocate and establish from scripture that they are wrong and you are right. So far you haven't done that.

Well, I am not claiming to be one of the elect from before the world. I don't even have to prove my position. I am a member of "whosoever" will may come, and I did.

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Thanks. I will as soon as I find time but the scripture is my teacher so I will leave you with this regarding the judgment.

29 And Laban gave to Rachel his daughter Bilhah his handmaid to be her maid.
30 And he went in also unto Rachel, and he loved also Rachel more than Leah, and served with him yet seven other years.
31 And when the LORD saw that Leah was hated, he opened her womb: but Rachel was barren.
32 And Leah conceived, and bare a son, and she called his name Reuben: for she said, Surely the LORD hath looked upon my affliction; now therefore my husband will love me.
33 And she conceived again, and bare a son; and said, Because the LORD hath heard that I was hated, he hath therefore given me this son also: and she called his name Simeon.
34 And she conceived again, and bare a son; and said, Now this time will my husband be joined unto me, because I have born him three sons: therefore was his name called Levi.
35 And she conceived again, and bare a son: and she said, Now will I praise the LORD: therefore she called his name Judah; and left bearing.
1 And when Rachel saw that she bare Jacob no children, Rachel envied her sister; and said unto Jacob, Give me children, or else I die.

There is much disagreement it seems on this doctrine but allow me to advance a thought here.

The Scriptures teach that all that are "in Adam" sin because they do not have any power against it and sin reigns as king. See Ro 5. Therefore the Scriptures says, "For as in Adam all die, even so "in Christ" all shall be made alive."

Now, the wages of sin is death we are told and men who are in Adam go to hell. So, lets reason this out a little. To be in Adam means that one is born into his family by a physical birth and we have all experienced that birth. I will assume you will accept this as true without me having to prove it.

So, lets reason this out. A person who is in Christ has been born into his family and he is the head and the birth is a spiritual birth. Now, who were born into his family? Yes, right, sinners! They were actually sinners and under the condemnation of God WHEN THEY WERE BORN AGAIN IN CHRIST!

Now, this is a reanonable question. If God was going to condemn them because of sin, why save them in the first place?

If by one man all who were born of him are declared sinners even though they might do some righteousness, why can't all who were born of Christ be declared righteous though they do some sins?