(Continued) The lawless now believe that they can act with impunity, and no one will stop them. The rise in murder rate proves that. So now there is a perfect soup for lawless activity that will NOT be improved by the Democratic party that has been hijacked by Che Guevara wannabe's. No matter what people from Nebraska think.
Being from Missouri, I will weigh in. The problems the police are facing are multifaceted and unfortunate. We are living in an era of intolerance: I'm not talking about racial or sexual intolerance, but I mean intolerance of rules. We have seen multiple political movements taking advantage of current stressors in society, and they all have a goal of political destabilizationâon the far left, ANTIFA. On the far right, you have your Bubba groups. They are encouraging the lawless to act out. Riots, violence, lootingâbasically these are terrorists. The liberal media is telling them THAT is how you get justice, and is not only making it socially acceptable, but are even romanticizing that type of behavior. But then you have police in a corner. On one hand, the lawlessâemboldened by the mediaâare actively hunting the police. How many officers have been ambushed in the last few months? On the other hand, "social justice warriors," (it's hard to not throw up saying that,) are busy trying to second guess every decision an officer makes, demonizing them for every action. Trying to defund them, etc... Many officers are fed upâshould they continue to put their lives on the line? The lawless now believe that they can act with impunity, and no one will stop them. The rise in murder rate pro
A few facts that may be missed in the... arguments. Masks do not prevent you from getting sick. They reduce small droplet transmission by people who may be infected, which has a chance of preventing healthy people from acquiring the virus. Since you canât look at someone and tell if they are infected, having everyone wear a mask during a time of high transmission helps cut through the problem of missing someone that is in fact infected. Vaccines have a chance of protection, but they also have a failure rate. With all the different strains of COVID you might catch a slightly different version than you were vaccinated for. Hence, having sick people in masks does help reduce your potential. And yes, for those that might question. I have a degree in Biology and worked in Bioterrorism and Epidemiology in the early 2000âs. I do have a clue.
Lol, love the idea Wayfarer And Doc, very humorous. Itâs amazing to me how people can turn every thread on here into an argument over there pet, (and petty,) distortions of Scripture. Let us all, especially those chock full of pride in their âcorrectnessâ remember Peterâs admonition. 2 Peter 3:15-16 âAnd account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.â
As an aside: Repentance to salvation is not necessarily repentance from SinâŚ (I mean, unbelief IS sin, but continue reading.) You can repent from your Sin like Judas to good works, (take this money back) you can even repent from your sin to tears like Esau... Biblical repentance, as illustrated in Hebrews chapter 6 as one of the âfirst principles of the doctrine of Christ...â is that of repentance from dead works. Admitting that God is right, you are not. Not trying to do good things to merit salvation, but putting faith in Him and His finished work, Hebrews 6:1 âTherefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God...â The key is not simply what you are repenting from... it is what you are repenting to. If it is not to Christ, it is a false salvation.
I agree wholeheartedly that repentance from sin is not a pre-requisite for Salvation.
Hebrews 6:1 ...the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Romans 4:2-5 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
JohnâŚ it is interesting to me how many times I can say the same thing in slightly different ways because the point is missedâŚ Iâm starting to believe that to be intentional and not incidental. To be clear: there is no scriptural mandate for which specific sins, beyond rejecting of the Holy Spirit, would classify a person as lost or saved. Saved people sinâŚ As we noticed by the man in a sexual relationship with his stepmom. Lost people act spiritualâŚ As evidenced by the Pharisee in Luke 18. Our job is to provide grace always and (for the church body,) chastisement when needed. Not to sit around just blatantly bad mouthing people and questioning salvation. As I have stated, neither of us know whether she is savedâŚ if she claims so, what she needs is Church discipline. Then let the spirit work on her. Call sitting on here lambasting everyone who does something wrong as âon their way to hellâ is making Christians look ridiculous because we are celebrating it
So, John 4âwhat was that manâs fruit prior? We donât know. What was this womanâs fruit prior to this? (Just because she is propoed up by an ungodly society doesnât mean that is her only âfruit.â) We donât know. My ENTIRE point. And thank you for the last sentence.
John, letâs be honest. we have no evidence that anyone on this forum is saved outside the fact that they can talk the talk. So, I never claimed to have evidence of either destination. What I said is that we are called to Grace and God is the judge of who has Christ, and if she IS a child God will deal with her in this life or the next. If notâsame thing. But to cast judgement of her position is not ours to do.
And there you go, yet again making a judgement that essentially says that the Holy Spirit is powerless to convict and reclaim someone. Do you not believe that God loves His children, and chastens them? Do you not believe that God wants a chastened child to return to Him? Where is your faith John? Or are you too interesting in celebrating the Devilâs victories?
John 4 Again, supposition based on no stated Biblical fact. We donât know if the manâs testimony was good or bad before his relationship with his stepmother. That is the point. Itâs not for us to stand around making unilateral statements over whether this woman is lost or saved. What there is however is a Biblical process that Christ gave us in Matthew 18 to deal with someone who has fallen, which is the process Paul suggested regarding the man. Someone in Christian leadership needs to approach her and tell her where she is wrong. If she doesnât listen, take a few witnesses, and then if it doesnât change, bring her before the Church and then announce she is under Church discipline.
John UK. I believe you are misquoting and misusing Scripture in this caseâŚ Let me elaborate. 1 Corinthians 5:5 âTo deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.â
This manâs testimony was a blight on the church and on the Lord who saved himâŚ However, Paul was telling them to chastise him and put him out of the churchâŚ Let his lifestyle kill him so he wouldnât be a blightâyet his souls was still saved because that was a result of the finished work of Christ, and not a result of his sinless living. Paul was NOT saying that the man was suddenly lost for his actions. He was a saved person whose testimony went south. So, I say pat them on the head, and say âDeary, deary.... until your testimony is clear, please donât continue to disgrace the name of the Lord who saved you by speaking kindly of vile affections. When you are ready to do that, we will welcome you back to the fold with open arms.â But to suddenly judge that âNope, they are lost...â is outside my pay grade. The later scriptures, v12-13 are a chastisement to the Church who was too busy judging the world that needed Christ and giving a free pass to the sinning Christians in the congregation.
John UK I do have a question for you. In first Corinthians 5, when Paul is dealing with the church member who is in a relationship with his stepmotherâŚ is he; A: Lost, needing Salvation B: Lost beyond redemption- enemy of God C: Saved, needing chastisement and, (if he repents) encouragement and restoration to the fellowship?